Cree Mailing List Digest January 1998 X-List-Subscribe: X-List-Unsubscribe: X-List-Archive: X-List-Post: X-List-Owner: X-List-Help: , -> Re: Merry Christmas! by Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> -> A Little New Year's Gift.... by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Re: A Little New Year's Gift.... by SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> -> Re: A Little New Year's Gift.... by (suppressed)@enter.net -> a disgrace to CREE?? by SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> -> Re: a disgrace to CREE?? by Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> -> Re: a disgrace to CREE?? by SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> -> Re: a disgrace to CREE?? by LadiNred <(suppressed)@aol.com> -> Re: a disgrace to CREE?? by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Re: a disgrace to CREE?? by Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> -> RAINBOW WARRIORS by SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> -> Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Re: Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) by Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> -> Re: Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Elders respond to RCAP by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Server name change by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net> -> Re: Server name change by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net> -> RCAP and INAC: A New Relationship? by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Re: RCAP and INAC: A New Relationship? by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Delgamuukw by (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) -> Re: Delgamuukw by (suppressed)@fournier-art.com -> Re: Guillermo Gomez-Pena, Roberto Sifuentes Mexterminator II Web Site by Ahasiw Maskegon-Iskwew <(suppressed)@dlcwest.com> -> Ice World Cometh (fwd) by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> Re: Ice World Cometh by Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> -> New Cree language lesson online by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> -> Fwd: Quebec City demonstration - Friends of the Lubicon by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> -> [Fwd: Delgamuukw: SCC Calls Aboriginal Title a Burden] by Cecil Chabot <(suppressed)@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA> -> Syllabics and Unicode (computer text standard) by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> -> post by (suppressed)@ionet.net -> Cree translation by "Fred Armando" <(suppressed)@worldnet.att.net> -> Re: post by "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk> -> RE: genealogy by (suppressed)@systax.com -> Re: Cree translation by Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> -> Cree digest for 1998/1/27 by (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) -> Cree by (suppressed)@NorCom.mb.ca -> Re: Cree by "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jan 1998 10:46:23 -0700 From: Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! Thankyou Sister, and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!! to you.... In Spirit Wind christine aldridge wrote: > Merry Christmas-- Mitho Makosi Kesikansi! :-) Christine. > Mine is but to reason why. Mine is not to do or die. > Live for spirit, not for flesh. - -- Each of us inevitable; Each of us limitless - each of us with his or her right upon the earth; Each of us allowed the eternal purports of the earth; Each of us here as divinely as any is here. Walt Whitman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jan 1998 14:07:29 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: A Little New Year's Gift.... ____________________________ Yesterday is History Tomorrow is a Mystery Today is a "Gift" That is why we call it "The Present" ____________________________ c-ya! - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jan 1998 15:27:13 -0700 From: SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> Subject: Re: A Little New Year's Gift.... these words and the letters that i receive because of you keep me connected to my home I would be lost here in Cali without you and the others who write thank you Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jan 1998 19:48:33 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: A Little New Year's Gift.... Dear Sumer, thankyou for the friendly lines. I know how you feel, I am away from my family and people , and it's like being on another planet. I go to as many gatherings as I can, but I still miss my own people , the Cree, and of course my family. Did I tell you my homepage? http://www.enter.net/~lcb Please keep in touch. I also have my own email address if you want to use that one louisebrown@hotmail.com Megwitch Louise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 12:48:03 -0700 From: SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> Subject: a disgrace to CREE?? there is a Group calling themselves RAINBOW WARRIORS they are on the net and are printing a "CREE" legend and say "CREE" on the web site I contacted them and was told they use the Cheyenne version of the legend and replied to them that if they are using the Cheyenne version they should say Cheyenne and not CREE I believe they misrepresent and misuse our people see for your selves Here's the address: http://www.edmtn.com/native.html below is a copy of the original letter I received letting me know that these people were using our legends and our name and their response and my letters and their response to me Lets let them know what the CREE people think of them and what they are doing As always you are smart people with your own minds and are not expected to agree with me and JS on this but I do think that since they claim CREE they should hear from CREE about it > SUMER .............................. I dont much care what your organization is doing or why; however i do object to the use of a CREE legend being used on your website. Our legends are not for public use. This is very offensive. Kindly remove it from the website to avoid offending me or any other CREE who may come across it. >JS ................................................... their response: If you are referring to the Legend of The Warriors of the Rainbow, I hate to tell you that it is a legend amoung all NA people. In fact the copy I used came frona book about the Cheyenne! It distresses me that anyone would ask that a legend not be told! How have they been preserved all these years? And if you know of a better way to preserve our heritage then please tell me, for now I am doing what I feel the Creator leads me to do! Do you not tell your children the legends of the Cree? So they can tell their children and their children's children, or do you think we should just be quiet and assimilate into nothingness. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree! But, I am sure that if you give it some thought, you change your thinking. By the way there are a few Cree in our organization, some of them are very spiritual people, and they have not complained, in Fact the name of the group came form a suggestion of one of them! Walk in peace! Brown Elk ................................................................... >I am Cree woman and traditional >I take offense that you use a CREE legend or a sacred story and claim that CREE told you to use this name >Please tell me what CREE are part of your group i know of none who would betray the legends of their people in this way if you in fact took the legend from the Cheyenne then why do you say on your page that this is a CREE legend you should not be false in that way you should be refering people to the Cheyenne legend you refer to in your attached letter >you offend me and my family >i would think that you and all these people who are proclaiming yourselves saviors of the people would have more humility and more respect for the people I have seen the Rainbow legend before you perverted it and I was offended that a Cherokee would print and distribute >I would like to see you stand on your own merit instead of on the honorable reputation of the CREE people when you have NO right to infer CREE support to your project and NONE of you are interested or support the issues facing CREE in the north >you want to stop playing CREE and playing at making a stand and start doing things for the people >I wonder where you and your "CREE" will be when the CREE people in the NORTH are in need of support i dare say you will be right here still using and perverting the CREE legend and good name for your own use and glory >SUMER ......................................... their Response: Sister: We are trying to preserve the legends of all the people, and as far as supporting the Cree people, like any others who need our help, we humbly suggest you ask for our help and you will get it! Walk in peace! Brown Elk .................................................. so then will you at least be honest and remove CREE from your page till the CREE people give you consent to use their legend as your platform and if you were truly Rainbow Warriors NO people would have to ask for you assistance Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 13:46:55 -0700 From: Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> Subject: Re: a disgrace to CREE?? My Dear Sister, I am new to this list and so, I hope you do not take offense at what I wish to say because it comes from my heart. I have visted the site that you mentioned in your post. I wonder if we could not see this as an honor to Cree vision and not disgrace. This is a new year....are we to continue to pit Brother against Brother...Sister against Sister....and add to the horrific abuse already perpetrated aginst the Native Peoples? If this version of the legend is not the correct one would it not serve us better to teach them the correct one.....and share it with them? Isn't this the essence of what the legend is saying to all our hearts? In Spirit Wind SumerWCree wrote: > there is a Group calling themselves RAINBOW WARRIORS > they are on the net and are printing a "CREE" legend and say "CREE" on the > web site I contacted them and was told they use the Cheyenne version of the > legend > and replied to them that if they are using the Cheyenne version they should > say Cheyenne and not CREE > I believe they misrepresent and misuse our people see for your selves > > Here's the address: http://www.edmtn.com/native.html > > below is a copy of the original letter I received letting me know that these > people were using our legends and our name and their response and my letters > and their response to me Lets let them know what the CREE people think of > them and what they are doing As always you are smart people with your own > minds and are not expected to agree with me and JS on this but I do think that > since they claim CREE they should hear from CREE about it > SUMER > .............................. > I dont much care what your organization is doing or why; however i do > object to the use of a CREE legend being used on your website. Our legends are > not for public use. This is very offensive. Kindly remove it from the > website to avoid offending me or any other CREE who may come across it. > > >JS > ................................................... > their response: > If you are referring to the Legend of The Warriors of the Rainbow, I > hate to tell you that it is a legend amoung all NA people. > In fact the copy I used came frona book about the Cheyenne! > It distresses me that anyone would ask that a legend not be told! > How have they been preserved all these years? > And if you know of a better way to preserve our heritage then please > tell me, for now I am doing what I feel the Creator leads me to do! > Do you not tell your children the legends of the Cree? > So they can tell their children and their children's children, or do you > think we should just be quiet and assimilate into nothingness. > I guess we'll have to agree to disagree! But, I am sure that if you > give it some thought, you change your thinking. > By the way there are a few Cree in our organization, some of them are > very spiritual people, and they have not complained, in Fact the name of > the group came form a suggestion of one of them! > Walk in peace! > > Brown Elk > ................................................................... > > >I am Cree woman and traditional > >I take offense that you use a CREE legend or a sacred story and claim that > CREE told you to use this name > >Please tell me what CREE are part of your group i know of none > who would betray the legends of their people in this way > if you in fact took the legend from the Cheyenne then why do you say on your > page that this is a CREE legend you should not be false in that > way you should be refering people to the Cheyenne legend you refer to in your > attached letter > >you offend me and my family > >i would think that you and all these people who are proclaiming > yourselves saviors of the people would have more humility and more respect for > the people I have seen the Rainbow legend before you perverted it and I was > offended that a Cherokee would print and distribute > >I would like to see you stand on your own merit instead of on the honorable > reputation > of the CREE people when you have NO right to infer CREE support to your > project and NONE of you are interested or support the issues facing CREE in > the > north > >you want to stop playing CREE and playing at making a stand and start > doing things for the people > >I wonder where you and your "CREE" will be when the CREE people in the NORTH > are in need of support i dare say you will be right here still using and > perverting the CREE legend and good name for your own use and glory > >SUMER > ......................................... > their Response: > Sister: > We are trying to preserve the legends of all the people, and as far as > supporting the Cree people, like any others who need our help, we > humbly suggest you ask for our help and you will get it! > Walk in peace! > Brown Elk > .................................................. > > so then will you at least be honest and remove CREE from your page till the > CREE people give you consent to use their legend as your platform > and if you were truly Rainbow Warriors NO people would have to ask for you > assistance > Sumer - -- Each of us inevitable; Each of us limitless - each of us with his or her right upon the earth; Each of us allowed the eternal purports of the earth; Each of us here as divinely as any is here. Walt Whitman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 14:41:05 -0700 From: SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> Subject: Re: a disgrace to CREE?? I take no offense at your words Sister Wind or your opinion I bring this to CREE so that the people on the site will since they refer to CREE have the opportunity to have the input of CREE I or no right to speak for all our people I speak only for me and my family Your words are very lovely and your thoughts kind Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 15:25:07 -0700 From: LadiNred <(suppressed)@aol.com> Subject: Re: a disgrace to CREE?? Dear all, First of all, I am not claiming to be Cree. I am, however, a member of this list and have been for quite a few months now. This is one of the more enjoyable lists I belong to because its members seem to keep their wits about them and refrain from that tantrums and politicing done on the other lists I belong to. I read the messages and have always felt awkward about posting to it because I can't claim Cree heritage, but this time I'm moved to speak. Also, I have not visited the site in question. I don't need to. This issue is about cultural property and its possible misuse by outsiders. In a message from Sumer dated 98-01-04 14:52:26 EST: << Lets let them know what the CREE people think of them and what they are doing As always you are smart people with your own minds and are not expected to agree with me and JS on this but I do think that since they claim CREE they should hear from CREE about it > SUMER >> This much is fair. Education is the key to understanding one another. You should let them know exactly how they have made an error and how it can be corrected. However, I have to agree with Wind (valadon@uswest.net) that gentle education is better than demands. << ............................... I dont much care what your organization is doing or why; however i do object to the use of a CREE legend being used on your website. Our legends are not for public use. This is very offensive. Kindly remove it from the website to avoid offending me or any other CREE who may come across it. >JS ....................................................>> Again, although it was a bit abrasive, an attempt to educate them was the best route. Word of advice, though ... when stating you don't care about someone's organization or its goals, you also subliminally state you don't care about the person. I'm sure JS DOES care about people, but let what had to be extreme emotional distress over-rule diplomacy on this particular request. Again, following Wind's advice, gentle education and an "I understand and empathize, but things have to be done properly to not violate OUR beliefs and traditions" would have probably gotten you farther. << their response: If you are referring to the Legend of The Warriors of the Rainbow, I hate to tell you that it is a legend amoung all NA people. In fact the copy I used came frona book about the Cheyenne!>> Yes, they should have CALLED it a Cheyenne legend, then. And they obviously haven't caught up on the new copyright laws or they'd have been more careful about copying a published book. << It distresses me that anyone would ask that a legend not be told! How have they been preserved all these years?>> On this one, I understand the Cree side in protecting your stories, however ... I also see their side. I had someone of Cherokee descent, a person who is a very respected authority in one of the forums I am a participant in, tell me that the "Cherokee" stories could never be published. While I was reading the letter explaining to me they couldn't be published, I glanced over at a stack of not less than FIVE books chock full of Cherokee stories, at least 3 of which were published by the Museum of the Cherokee Indian in Cherokee, NC! I guess those unpublishable publications weren't in that person's library collection. Further, if someone way back when recorded a "Cheyenne" story and stated that it was originally a CREE story AND, if the person who published it AS a Cree story giving tribute to the ORIGINAL creators took the original publisher at their word, where is the real fault here? In my eyes, its with the person who published the "Cheyenne version of a Cree story" If you want to correct the problem here, go to the publisher of THAT book and get it straightened out. << And if you know of a better way to preserve our heritage then please tell me, for now I am doing what I feel the Creator leads me to do! Do you not tell your children the legends of the Cree? So they can tell their children and their children's children, or do you think we should just be quiet and assimilate into nothingness.>> Well, they missed a point here. StoryTELLING is just that. TELLING the story verbally. I don't know much about the Cree community overall, whether its a traditional community like the Lakota have, or whether the Cree people are primarily urban and scattered across the country. I do know that the odds are against maintaining a race of full bloods in any of the Native American tribes. Where the stories may have always been passed down verbally, possibly its time to review that and at LEAST write them down for tribal archives, even if you still choose not to share them with outsiders. While the responder has exagerated the point, there may (although I hope not) come a time when that nothingness is there. Your stories, like all Native American stories, hold too many treasures, lessons, and life-saving information to allow them to be lost. << I guess we'll have to agree to disagree! But, I am sure that if you give it some thought, you change your thinking.>> Sounds like the responder is ever the optimist, to me ... but better an optimist than a pessimist. At least he/she is offering a compromise ... agreeing to DISagree. << By the way there are a few Cree in our organization, some of them are very spiritual people, and they have not complained, in Fact the name of the group came form a suggestion of one of them! Walk in peace! >> This one, I will admit, rankles me. Its like saying, "My best friend is an Indian." I don't know about the rest of you, but my friends are people, individuals, my FRIENDS. Their heritage, color, etc., have no issue in my friendship with them. The responder lost 2 points on that comment. I don't claim to be Cree, I don't claim to have ANY concept of your traditions, spiritual beliefs, etc. I understand your desire to get this corrected and am only trying to give you a path toward correction that would benefit all involved. I would, however (because I tend to be a bit brazen about making suggestions in spite of possible flaming letters and responses) ask you to consider how you could best compromise this. For instance, if the story in question is indeed spiritual and one that is NOT to be shared with outsiders, can you offer a different story that COULD be shared in exchange for the removal of this one? As I said, I belong to several lists and enjoy this one the most. The others spend so much time declaring wars, demanding this and demanding that, they never get around to making any progress that I can see. I hate to be cliche, but you catch more flies with honey, you know? I also believe that we are all one where it counts most. For years, Hollywood and Europeon accounts of Native Americans have tainted non-native views. The internet is the world at your fingertips. This is the medium that, as long as it stays fairly unregulated, is your opportunity to teach people the TRUTH about the Cree. The people that will benefit most, that have the power to change the future are the children. As the Lakota say, "Wakan heja kin wakan pelo." Children are sacred. I would suggest to you that it may be time to look at your traditions, determine which CAN be shared and get them out there for the FUTURE citizens of the world to see and learn from OFFICIALLY. Of course, when it comes to children, I lose all my objectivity. ::wink:: Sincerely and with deepest respect, "Nagi" V. Brestel, Exec. Director, Wisdom Keepers, Inc. http://www.wisdomkeepers.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 19:37:45 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: a disgrace to CREE?? I do not no what the issue is about . I am full blood Cree, and have lived my life in the bush untill married. I do not speak for all the Cree, and they do not all speak for me. If the intent was not bad, then why condemm . Instead correct them. Louise Papatens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 21:06:15 -0700 From: Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> Subject: Re: a disgrace to CREE?? Sister, Sorry I forgot to give you the link for the web page they were discussing on the list..... http://www.edmtn.com/native.html Wind lcb wrote: > I do not no what the issue is about . I am full > blood Cree, and have lived my life in the bush untill > married. I do not speak for all the Cree, and they do > not all speak for me. If the intent was not bad, then > why condemm . Instead correct them. > Louise Papatens - -- Each of us inevitable; Each of us limitless - each of us with his or her right upon the earth; Each of us allowed the eternal purports of the earth; Each of us here as divinely as any is here. Walt Whitman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 1998 21:09:46 -0700 From: SumerWCree <(suppressed)@aol.com> Subject: RAINBOW WARRIORS apparently the people who own the site have decided to remove the word Cree and reference to the CREE people from their web site there is still a link to the legend of the rainbow warriors but the link says legend only thank you to those of you who contacted the people there to share what Cree had to say about this Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jan 1998 13:06:30 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) Tansi! This is very long but the recent concern expressed by the use (and/or misuse) of the Cree telling of the Rainbow Warrior legend has prompted me to share this item with you. Peace Ross - --- Ross's forwarded message --- |Date: Tuesday, 06-Jan-98 14:43:50 (EST) |From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> |Subj: _Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft._ Sorry...this got stuck in my Outgoing mail queue until today! Please repost as you see fit. Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:16:54 -0500 (EST) This is coming from: The People's Council, Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake. ...which appears to be speaking on behalf of the entire Mohawk Nation consisting of the Confederacy of seven seperate Haudenosaunee communities (Kahnawake, Wahta, Akwesasne, Kaienkeh, Tyendenega, Six Nations Reserve and Kahnesatake) "recognized as a sovereign nation under natural, constitutional and international law." Their constitution is the Kaienerekowa, or Great Law of Peace, brought to the Haudenosaunee, or People of the Longhouse several thousand years ago by Peacemaker, a prophet and teacher. The Haudenosaunee are also known as the Iroquois or Mohawks. They stand in opposition to an international trade agreement to be signed January 18, 1998 in Mexico City that apparently would see the theft and exploitation of Haudenosaunee cultural icons through the eventual global marketing of such items as reproductions of sacred Wampum belts, etc. "which will be mass-produced by Mexico and sent back to the Americas for distribution and sale...under an `Indians of the Americas' Label." (A personal comment from a marketing point of view: I would like to see such products being marketed (with the blessing and full approval of the original People of Turtle Island) BY the original People of Turtle Island under a Lable like "Originals of Turtle Island" -- this "Indians of the Americas" Label is colonial and offensive!) So basically this is the People's Council of the Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake standing in opposition to Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council, "an arm of the Canadian Government" also known as the "Mohawk Council of Kahnawake" or more simply "The Band Council". (hope that helps simplify reading through the attached!) The Band Council is about to enter into a bogus international trade agreement "with the Mexican and Canadian governments and is not supported by the Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake."... Those who uphold the Canadian Constitution through the Indian Act system are legally not Haudenosaunee. Therefore, any trade agreements made on behalf of the Mohawk Nation by the Band Council are not valid. The Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council has no authority from the Confederacy to represent the sovereign Mohawk Nation. The "Oaxaca-Kahnawake Trade and Commerce Convention" or "Project OK" to be signed on January 18, 1998; between the Government of the Republic of Mexico, the Canadian Government, the State of Oaxaca, the Indigenous Peoples of Oaxaca and the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council representing themselves as the 'Mohawks of Kahnawake'; NOTE: Tue 06-Jan-98 "Project OK" will be signed in 12 days... <...> Within three months of the signing, an Indigenous Trade and Commerce Commission will be set up to mediate and arbitrate all matters relating making and marketing of Iroquois arts and crafts. <...> In effect, this agreement subordinates ancient Mohawk sovereignty under Canada and Mexico and sets up a non-Indigenous commission to certify and regulate the use of Mohawk/Iroquois cultural property which belongs to all Haudenosaunee Peoples. This Agreement will decide who can and cannot manufacture Mohawk/Iroquois goods in trade and commerce between Canada and Mexico or "other markets" and involves the regulation of all labels, trade-marks, patents or other intellectual property protection by the Commission. Those who wish to be included under the Agreement have to agree to be regulated by the Commission. - --- Mohawk Nation's forwarded message --- |Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 01:23:42 (EST) |From: Mohawk Nation Office <(suppressed)@cyberglobe.net> | (by way of ishgooda <(suppressed)@tdi.net>) | (by way of David Yarrow <(suppressed)@igc.apc.org>) |Subj: _Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake Position on the Protection of_ | _Intellectual Properties From Commercial Misuse_ Shekon, Women, men, Rotianer, Iotianer and children of the Longhouse at Kahnawake extend to you a greeting and thanksgiving. We are hopefull that this communication finds all of you in good held in mind and body. This is to inform you that the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council is embarking on a trade project that affects all Haudenosaunee. We have been made aware that a trade agreement is to be signed January 18, 1998 in Mexico City. All negotiations have been done behind closed doors. This project is named "Project OK" and will be using Haudenosaunee symbols and sacred Wampum belts which will be mass-produced by Mexico and sent back to the Americas for distribution and sale. We urge all Haudenosaunee and supporters to help stop this exploitation of our intellectual properties that belong to the Haudenosaunee and not to Canadian citizens. We have attatched the "Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake Position on the Protection of Intellectual Properties From Commercial Misuse." We need to act quickly, as there is little time left. We ask that all the communities and supporters send out letters to the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council, the Prime Minister of Canada, the Mexican Government voicing concern and opposition to this Agreement. Nia:wen. Grand Chief Joseph Tokwiro Norton Mohawk Council of Kahnawake - Office of the Council of Chiefs P.O. Box 720 Kahnawake Mohawk Territory J0L 1B0 Honorable Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 ***An address for the Mexican Govnerment is to follow*** **************************************************** Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake Position on the Protection of Intellectual Properties From Commercial Misuse The Mohawk Band Council of Kahnawake, calling themselves the 'Mohawks of Kahnawake', will be signing an international trade agreement January 18, 1998; the Band Council has drafted regulations and is taking patents or ownership on cultural symbols and intellectual property which belongs to all Haudenosaunee Peoples without the knowledge or consent of the owners. For centuries the Indigenous people of the Americas have been losing our cultural property and today we are left struggling to preserve what is left of our cultural identity and to maintain our collective and individual traditional practices. Cultural or Intellectual Property refers to a design, product or technical process, such as wampum belts, which is protected by means of copyright, trademark or patent. This protection grants the inventor, an individual or corporation, the exclusive right to use the property or to earn royalties by renting or selling its use. Exclusive rights to intellectual property are legally granted as a reward for developing it. The preamble of the UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) "Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property" adopted at its sixteenth session in Paris on November 14, 1970 reads as follows: "Considering that cultural property constitutes one of the basic elements of civilization and national culture, and that its true value can be appreciated only in relation to the fullest possible information regarding its origin, history, and traditional setting." This UNESCO convention is meant to stop the illicit import, export, and transfer of ownership of cultural property and was the first major step taken by the United Nations to address centuries of plunder of Indigenous cultural property. However, misuse or outright theft continues today. The Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council has no authority from the Confederacy to represent the sovereign Mohawk Nation. The "Oaxaca-Kahnawake Trade and Commerce Convention" or "Project OK" to be signed on January 18, 1998; between the Government of the Republic of Mexico, the Canadian Government, the State of Oaxaca, the Indigenous Peoples of Oaxaca and the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council representing themselves as the 'Mohawks of Kahnawake'; is an international trade project that affects all Haudenosaunee. The Band Council is an arm of the Canadian Government. In actuality, the Mohawk Nation consists of seven different communities on both sides of the so-called Canada/United States border (Kahnawake, Wahta, Akwesasne, Kaienkeh, Tyendenega, Six Nations Reserve and Kahnesatake) with the ability to make Treaties and international agreements as affirmed by natural, constitutional and international law. The Kanienkehaka constitution is the Kaienerekowa, or Great Law of Peace. Those who uphold the Canadian Constitution through the Indian Act system are legally not Haudenosaunee. Therefore, any trade agreements made on behalf of the Mohawk Nation by the Band Council are not valid. This Agreement is "to establish necessary agreements and support structures to market and sell primary and manufactured products (both from Oaxaca and Canada) throughout North America and eventually to European and other markets under an 'Indians of the Americas' Label." Essentially, this is supposed to curb the flow of non-Indian imitation arts and crafts manufactured elsewhere and sold around the world, except that it has the effect of limiting ownership of Iroquois symbols and their use. Within three months of the signing, an Indigenous Trade and Commerce Commission will be set up to mediate and arbitrate all matters relating making and marketing of Iroquois arts and crafts. This Commission will oversee the research, negotiation and completion of all trade-mark, patent and other intellectual property right protection systems not only regarding Mohawks but other indigenous trade in products or services. In effect, this agreement subordinates ancient Mohawk sovereignty under Canada and Mexico and sets up a non-Indigenous commission to certify and regulate the use of Mohawk/Iroquois cultural property which belongs to all Haudenosaunee Peoples. This Agreement will decide who can and cannot manufacture Mohawk/Iroquois goods in trade and commerce between Canada and Mexico or "other markets" and involves the regulation of all labels, trade-marks, patents or other intellectual property protection by the Commission. Those who wish to be included under the Agreement have to agree to be regulated by the Commission. The Haudenosaunee Council of Chiefs have already taken steps to protect the Haudenosaunee People against such violations and theft of cultural property as set out in a February 2, 1986 Communique': "The Haudenosaunee (also known as the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy), and, each member nation (Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca and Tuscarora) separately and collectively claim all sacred objects, human remains, and traditional territory as our cultural patrimony, and our national cultural treasures...The chiefs, clanmothers, faithkeepers, and members of our contemporary traditional medicine societies and the people that they serve are the rightful owners and authorities of our cultural patrimony and our national cultural treasures...It is the obligation and trust responsibility of each succeeding generation of chiefs, clanmothers, faithkeepers, and members of the Haudenosaunee to preserve our patrimony and national cultural treasures for the seventh generation to come...Therefore, the disturbance, destruction, and theft of our patrimony is a violation of our human rights; a violation of our group rights; and a violation of the religious and spiritual welfare of our people...Therefore, all other entities are secondary and must give way to the Six Nations of the Haudenosaunee and our people as the ultimate and final title holder of our patrimony." This includes the theft of ownership as proposed in the Agreement. In the past we have had to pressure museums and wealthy entrepreneurs to not exploit our sacred treasures for profit and without our free and informed consent or permission. Today it is Mohawks governed by the Canadian Government Indian Act who are taking advantage of the political gains Haudenosaunee nationalists have made internationally. This foreign entity "Mohawk Council of Kahnawake" is violating Haudenosaunee Law for profit. The main result of the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council entering into any international agreement is the subordination of national Mohawk sovereignty which the Haudenosaunee Peoples as a collective have been defending for centuries. Also because the Agreement will be regulated by foreign entities this will result in a change in the jurisdiction of the Mohawk Nation which will ultimately affect basic Mohawk rights in self-determination, return of lands and resources which make up our identity. Patenting of our intellectual property by outsiders is being promoted by the Kahnawake Mohawk Band Council's entry into an agreement with the Mexican and Canadian governments and is not supported by the Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake. Passed and Sealed by the People's Council, Kahnawake Mohawk Territory December 21, 1997 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohawk Nation Office - Kahnawake Branch Visit our new site! http://www.cyberglobe.net/users/mnation - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jan 1998 13:39:43 -0700 From: Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau <(suppressed)@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) Dear Brother, I thank you for bringing this information to our attention....I fear that this action is a much more severe offense to the People of the Mohawk Nation...than someone who is retelling a story simply to enlighten others. I would have to agree in this case that this would be using sacred objects for the benefit of profit and the fact that they would be manufactured by other people not even of the Mohawk Nation only adds to the insult our Brothers and Sisters will face. I also fear that this will only add to the breach that already exists within that Nation. In Spirit Wind Ross Monteath wrote: [LENGTHY QUOTE DELETED] - -- Each of us inevitable; Each of us limitless - each of us with his or her right upon the earth; Each of us allowed the eternal purports of the earth; Each of us here as divinely as any is here. Walt Whitman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jan 1998 21:37:29 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Re: Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake fights cultural theft. (fwd) Tansi Wind! On Tuesday, 06-Jan-98 at 15:38:55 (EST) Michele*Wind In Her Hair*Rousseau wrote: > Dear Brother, > I thank you for bringing this information to our attention....I fear > that this action is a much more severe offense to the People of the > Mohawk Nation...than someone who is retelling a story simply to > enlighten others. > I would have to agree in this case that this would be using sacred > objects for the benefit of profit and the fact that they would be > manufactured by other people not even of the Mohawk Nation only adds to > the insult our Brothers and Sisters will face. I also fear that this > will only add to the breach that already exists within that Nation. > In Spirit > Wind Thank you for your words of concern. Note the first sentence in the second paragraph quoted below. This would seem to indicate that "Project OK" is also a bit of a test case that could see the new Indigenous Trade and Commerce Commission extending its mandate to include trade in products or services of other First Nations. The original post had a section that related to a 1986 statement issued by the Mohawk Nation in which they claimed perpetual rights to their own culture and heritage. It would be advisable for ALL First Nations to ensure that such a document is prepared and recorded in a legal manner so that the rights to each First Nation's culture and heritage is protected within the dominant legal system as well as in the Hearts, Minds, and Spirit of the People! Peace Ross >> <...> Within three months of the signing, an Indigenous Trade >> and Commerce Commission will be set up to mediate and arbitrate all >> matters relating making and marketing of Iroquois arts and crafts. >> >> This Commission will oversee the research, negotiation and completion >> of all trade-mark, patent and other intellectual property right >> protection systems not only regarding Mohawks but other indigenous >> trade in products or services. In effect, this agreement subordinates >> ancient Mohawk sovereignty under Canada and Mexico and sets up a >> non-Indigenous commission to certify and regulate the use of >> Mohawk/Iroquois cultural property which belongs to all Haudenosaunee >> Peoples. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Mohawk Nation Office - Kahnawake Branch >> Visit our new site! >> http://www.cyberglobe.net/users/mnation > -- > Each of us inevitable; > Each of us limitless - each of us with his or her right upon the earth; > Each of us allowed the eternal purports of the earth; > Each of us here as divinely as any is here. > > Walt Whitman - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 1998 03:34:20 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Elders respond to RCAP There will be a ceremony held at the House of Commons to hear what the Elders have to say to the Canadian parliament about the RCAP royal commission of inquiry for the people of the First Nations on Wednesday 07-Jan-97 at 13:00. Grand Father William Commanda along with many other Elders from across Canada will be there. With luck this will be televised live on CPAC (the parlimentary channel) and may also be carried on CBC Newsworld. - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 1998 17:54:52 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net> Subject: Server name change I am moving this mailing list to a new server name. nisto.com is my new domain (replacing arpp.carleton.ca) and list.nisto.com is my host for mailing lists. So, please address future list mail to: cree@list.nisto.com The website shold be changing tomorrow (January8) to http://www.nisto.com/cree/ (The old arpp.carleton.ca address should continue to work for both the website and the mailing lists for the next while - hopefully giving people enough time to switch over) If you have any problems with, or questions about, the mailing lists hosted by nisto.com, please contact listmom@nisto.com Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 1998 13:38:54 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net> Subject: Re: Server name change I've been asked if the server name change means you have to resusbscribe. No. Everything stays the same except that instead of refering to the list as cree@arpp.carleton.ca, you should now refer to it as cree@list.nisto.com. (Oh, and the website is now http://www.nisto.com/cree/ ) Sorry for any confusion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:22:26 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: RCAP and INAC: A New Relationship? - --- Norman's forwarded message --- |Date: Thursday, 08-Jan-98 06:59:17 (EST) |From: Norman Fournier <(suppressed)@fournier-art.com> | (by way of ishgooda <(suppressed)@tdi.net>) | (by way of David Yarrow <(suppressed)@igc.apc.org>) |To: |Subj: _First Nations: Canadian Government's Statement of Reconciliation_ Dear Sky Village, This is the URL for the RCAP Response from the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs of Canada. http://www.inac.gc.ca/strength/index.html This is the beef of the minister's speech today. If this is truth, it is the start of a new relationship between Canada and the First Nations living here. Note particularly the reference to Louis Riel. To that end, the Government of Canada wants to make a solemn offer of reconciliation: Statement of Reconciliation �� As Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians seek to move forward together in a process of renewal, it is essential that we deal with the legacies of the past affecting the Aboriginal peoples of Canada, including the First Nations, Inuit and M�tis. Our purpose is not to rewrite history but, rather, to learn from our past and to find ways to deal with the negative impacts that certain historical decisions continue to have in our society today. �� The ancestors of First Nations, Inuit and M�tis peoples lived on this continent long before explorers from other continents first came to North America. For thousands of years before this country was founded, they enjoyed their own forms of government. Diverse, vibrant Aboriginal nations had ways of life rooted in fundamental values concerning their relationships to the Creator, the environment and each other, in the role of Elders as the living memory of their ancestors, and in their responsibilities as custodians of the lands, waters and resources of their homelands. �� The assistance and spiritual values of the Aboriginal peoples who welcomed the newcomers to this continent too often have been forgotten. The contributions made by all Aboriginal peoples to Canadas development, and the contributions that they continue to make to our society today, have not been properly acknowledged. The Government of Canada today, on behalf of all Canadians, acknowledges those contributions. �� Sadly, our history with respect to the treatment of Aboriginal people is not something in which we can take pride. Attitudes of racial and cultural superiority led to a suppression of Aboriginal culture and values. As a country, we are burdened by past actions that resulted in weakening the identity of Aboriginal peoples, suppressing their languages and cultures, and outlawing spiritual practices. We must recognize the impact of these actions on the once self-sustaining nations that were disaggregated, disrupted, limited or even destroyed by the dispossession of traditional territory, by the relocation of Aboriginal people, and by some provisions of the Indian Act. We must acknowledge that the result of these actions was the erosion of the political, economic and social systems of Aboriginal people and nations. �� Against the backdrop of these historical legacies, it is a remarkable tribute to the strength and endurance of Aboriginal people that they have maintained their historic diversity and identity. The Government of Canada today formally expresses to all Aboriginal people in Canada our profound regret for past actions of the federal government which have contributed to these difficult pages in the history of our relationship together. �� One aspect of our relationship with Aboriginal people over this period that requires particular attention is the Residential School system. This system separated many children from their families and communities and prevented them from speaking their own languages and from learning about their heritage and cultures. In the worst cases, it left legacies of personal pain and distress that continue to reverberate in Aboriginal communities to this day. Tragically, some children were the victims of physical and sexual abuse. �� The Government of Canada acknowledges the role it played in the development and administration of these schools. Particularly to those individuals who experienced the tragedy of sexual and physical abuse at residential schools, and who have carried this burden believing that in some way they must be responsible, we wish to emphasize that what you experienced was not your fault and should never have happened. To those of you who suffered this tragedy at residential schools, we are deeply sorry. �� In dealing with the legacies of the Residential School system, the Government of Canada proposes to work with First Nations, Inuit and M�tis people, the Churches and other interested parties to resolve the longstanding issues that must be addressed. We need to work together on a healing strategy to assist individuals and communities in dealing with the consequences of this sad era of our history. �� No attempt at reconciliation with Aboriginal people can be complete without reference to the sad events culminating in the death of M�tis leader Louis Riel. These events cannot be undone; however, we can and will continue to look for ways of affirming the contributions of M�tis people in Canada and of reflecting Louis Riels proper place in Canadas history. �� Reconciliation is an ongoing process. In renewing our partnership, we must ensure that the mistakes which marked our past relationship are not repeated. The Government of Canada recognizes that policies that sought to assimilate Aboriginal people, women and men, were not the way to build a strong country. We must instead continue to find ways in which Aboriginal people can participate fully in the economic, political, cultural and social life of Canada in a manner which preserves and enhances the collective identities of Aboriginal communities, and allows them to evolve and flourish in the future. Working together to achieve our shared goals will benefit all Canadians, Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal alike. - -- Norman Fournier norman@fournier-art.com http://www.fournier-art.com http://www.aboriginalday.com - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:23:17 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Re: RCAP and INAC: A New Relationship? - --- Ross's forwarded message --- |Date: Thursday, 08-Jan-98 14:21:11 (EST) |To: |Subj: _Re: First Nations: Canadian Government's Statement of_ _Reconciliation_ Thanks for posting this ~turtle! On Thursday, 08-Jan-98 at 06:59:17 (EST) Norman Fournier wrote: > Dear Sky Village, > > This is the URL for the RCAP Response from the Minister of Indian and > Northern Affairs of Canada. > http://www.inac.gc.ca/strength/index.html > > This is the beef of the minister's speech today. If this is truth, it is > the start of a new relationship between Canada and the First Nations > living here. <...> _Deprogramming 101_ I for one have no problems in rewriting HIStory! To that end I have snipped out three paragraphs from the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs' speech (a bright young non-native _woman_ I might add!) and will make a few subtle changes. The most obvious being the replacement of the term "Aboriginal peoples" -- the current PC term for "Native Canadian" or "Indian" in Canada -- with the far more honest and correct term "Original Peoples (of Turtle Island)".... �� The assistance and spiritual values of the Original Peoples who welcomed the newcomers to this continent too often have been forgotten. The contributions made by all Original Peoples to Canada's development, and the contributions that they continue to make to our society today, have not been properly acknowledged. The Government of Canada today, on behalf of all Canadians, acknowledges those contributions. �� Sadly, our HIStory with respect to the treatment of the Original People of Turtle Island is not something in which we can take pride. Attitudes of racial and cultural superiority led to the near genocide and almost total annihilation of their original culture and values. As a country, we are burdened by our past actions that resulted in the near destruction of the identity of the Original Peoples, suppressing their languages and cultures, and outlawing spiritual practices. We must recognize the impact of these actions on the once self-sustaining and still sovereign First Nations that were disaggregated, disrupted, limited or even extinguished by the theft and dispossession of traditional territory and ancient homelands, by the relocation of all Original People, and by most provisions of the Indian Act. We must acknowledge that the result of these actions was the erosion and collapse of the political, economic and social systems of the Original Peoples of Turtle Island and their First Nations. �� Against the backdrop of these historical legacies, it is a truly remarkable tribute to the strength and endurance of the Original People of Turtle Island that they have maintained their historic diversity and identity. The Government of Canada today formally expresses to all Original People in Canada our profound regret for past actions of the federal government which have contributed to these difficult pages in the HIStory of our relationship together. > �� The assistance and spiritual values of the Aboriginal > peoples who welcomed the newcomers to this continent too often have been > forgotten. The contributions made by all Aboriginal peoples to Canada's > development, and the contributions that they continue to make to our > society today, have not been properly acknowledged. The Government of > Canada today, on behalf of all Canadians, acknowledges those > contributions. > > �� Sadly, our history with respect to the treatment of > Aboriginal people is not something in which we can take pride. Attitudes > of racial and cultural superiority led to a suppression of Aboriginal > culture and values. As a country, we are burdened by past actions that > resulted in weakening the identity of Aboriginal peoples, suppressing > their languages and cultures, and outlawing spiritual practices. We must > recognize the impact of these actions on the once self-sustaining > nations that were disaggregated, disrupted, limited or even destroyed by > the dispossession of traditional territory, by the relocation of > Aboriginal people, and by some provisions of the Indian Act. We must > acknowledge that the result of these actions was the > erosion of the political, economic and social systems of Aboriginal > people and nations. > > �� Against the backdrop of these historical legacies, it is a > remarkable tribute to the strength and endurance of Aboriginal people > that they have maintained their historic diversity and identity. The > Government of Canada today formally expresses to all Aboriginal people > in Canada our profound regret for past actions of the federal government > which have contributed to these difficult pages in the history of our > relationship together. Actually...with all this politically correct newspeak going on I wonder if the military and police radio term for Native Canadians has changed? Last time I was listening in on comms in the late '70s "indians" were being referred to as "November Charlies"! c-ya! El Rosco - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 1998 19:56:50 -0700 From: (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) Subject: Delgamuukw What are people oppinions, ideas, feelings (etc) about the Delgamuukw ruling? Siomonn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jan 1998 11:29:47 -0700 From: (suppressed)@fournier-art.com Subject: Re: Delgamuukw Siomonn wrote: > What are people oppinions, ideas, feelings (etc) about the Delgamuukw > ruling? Dear Siomonn, I am not a lawyer, but, I think that the important part of the ruling is the admissability of oral history as evidence into Canada's courts. This is, I think, kind of a tricky thing to assess because the history would probably have to be corroborated by other elders and leaders, or in dance and "legend". I think it was the dances that McEachern did not allow as testimony ten years ago. I also think that McEachern stated that Aboriginal (sorry Ross) people lived "nasty, short and brutish lives" and that our rights were extinguished diuring colonial times = B.S. McEachern was thinking about his mother when he made the "nasty, short and brutish" comment. McEachern is IMHO obviously a racist and was unfit to sit as a judge in the case that was appealed to the Supreme Court and resulted in Delgamuukw. This URL is from the B.C.Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs website: http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/aaf/pubs/abrights.htm This is from a New York Time analysis of Degamuukw: *snip* One of the most important aspects of the judges' opinion is the way it clears up a longstanding dispute over traditional claims, a debate that some native people said at times bordered on being racist because it devalued the oral histories and traditions on which their culture is based. The Supreme Court specifically rejected a lower court ruling in which native claims to land in British Columbia were denied. In the course of those proceedings, native people came to court to perform traditional ceremonies, chanting and dancing in ancient ways to relate the histories that had been passed down for untold generations about how they came to be on the land. The lower court flatly rejected the oral evidence. But in Thursday's unanimous decision, the justices made it clear that the lower court had erred. "In practical terms, this requires the courts to come to terms with the oral histories of aboriginal societies, which, for many aboriginal nations, are the only record of their past," wrote Chief Justice Antonio Lamer. *snip* I think that this should mean that if we can tell our stories, they will be admissible as evidence in court. (And probably used against us). - -- Norman Fournier norman@fournier-art.com http://www.fournier-art.com http://www.aboriginalday.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jan 1998 14:33:11 -0700 From: Ahasiw Maskegon-Iskwew <(suppressed)@dlcwest.com> Subject: Re: Guillermo Gomez-Pena, Roberto Sifuentes Mexterminator II Web Site The address for the Mexterminator II web site has changed to: http://www.dlcwest.com/~neutralground/mexterm.html ***Check out performance stills & video from the Sept. 18, 19, 20/97 performance of Mexterminator II in collaboration with Red Tattoo produced in Regina, Saskatchewan by Neutral Ground artists' centre. ***Participate in the new Cyber Debate and read responses of others to issues of "Essentialism, hybridity and "ethnic" identity in the 90's." The Cyber Debate is meant to trigger a juicy and necessary debate. The questionnaire was designed by Ahasiw Maskegon-Iskwew and created by Professor GGP from the Colegio de Aztlan Liberado, in collaboration with First Nations anthropologist Robin Brass from the Institute of Identity Crisis, Cyber-Mushom (a.k.a. Mushom Heat-Score) Greg Daniels, and Cree grass dancer and "Casino Diva" Debra Piapot. The answers provided by you will inform future "living dioramas" created by G�mez-Pe�a, Sifuentes and collaborators." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jan 1998 12:40:07 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Ice World Cometh (fwd) - --- Ross's forwarded message --- |Date: Saturday, 10-Jan-98 14:31:50 (EST) |From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> |To: |Subj: _Ice World Cometh_ "Please do not hinder the military personnel moving through your neighborhoods and working around your homes during the night. They are there for your saftey and protection." -- 9pm Emergency TV Bulletin Fri 09-Jan-98 Ottawa, Canada Date: Fri Jan 9 10:38:38 1998 Newsgroups: ncf.announce Subject: _RMOC Emergency Information available on NCF web page_ The link to the RMOC State of Emergency information pages has been added to the main NCF web page: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca _Ice World Cometh_: It's always darkest just before I open my eyes. It's better to light one candle than to waste electricity. Never put off 'til tomorrow what you should have done yesterday. * To err is human. To eat a muskrat is not. Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry, and someone yells, "Shut Up!" ...and of course that was clip from a re-post of something posted earlier in the day to Birdtrides -- the only difference being between the first post and the second: our neighborhood was plunged into darkness for Four *short* hours while "the worst natural disaster in this nation's history" quietly raged around me. * Like buy candles and charge up ALL the batteries! Millions are still without power from Kingston Ontario to St.Johns Nfld. On the East coast is is the worst Ice Storm in Forty Years. Around here it was the worst Ice Storm of the Century. And that was only on Tuesday.... It started last Sunday night with a forecast for drizzle and freezing rain. It let up for a few hours Wednesday afternoon... Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:21:08 -0500 (EST) Subj: _Re: 'yesterday's horoscope'_ > Wow, what was that? A passing comet? Speeding karma? What? My hit & run last night? I'm doing it again just now. Just going to collect a mail harvest. It seems so much is happening...I feel zapped and now we are into day 3 of the worst ice storm anyone can remember. They declared a state of emergency in our region this morning (Thu) at 10 and it's expected to remain in effect until at least noon on Saturday. [now extended 'til Monday] It was very neat-o odd in that the storm actually abbaited while this RCAP (Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples) was going on! -- I could have gone down to the parliment buildings and checked it out but I thought for sure that it would be pointless to go anywhere. It only got pointless (very quickly) after 5:30pm...so I could have gone! See: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980107.html Wednesday night Ottawa Hydro crews had only 1,000 homes to reconnect after the first waves of Ice Storms swept through. By Thursday morning, when the entire region was placed in a state of emergency, there were 30,000. By Friday, just before our area lost power, I heard that the number had climbed to at least 80,000 *left to reconnect.* Thousands of Armed Forces troops have poured into the area. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Electrical workers have come from out West and down in the States. At least a quarter of the trees for thousands of miles around have snapped and crumbled under the weight of inches of ice that has been building up on them for 5 days now. With each breeze pieces of ice larger than fists rain down from the few remaining branches pelting passers-by and bashing abandoned cars. Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:02:51 -0500 (EST) > And you? Still icey? very -- it was really spooky walking around tonight -- sounded like walking around inside a crystal chandellier -- ice is over an inch thick -- trees snapping left and right -- people stopping and commenting on my maple...wondering why it has not broken! Best part is its branches are already under the power line so if it does go it won't take the line out. Chloe' [my daughter] had to walk three blocks to go to a friend's down the street from all the power lines lying around! Flashes like lightning or mortar fire can be seen everywhere in the night sky. These are power lines snapping under their own weight or being brought down as the surrounding trees keel over. Huge Steel Kachinas (high tension towers) marching between the cities lie dead in their tracks like twisted heaps of licorice! Severed arteries of electrical service. Tortured footsoldiers of the Weird Wired World Army. The end of civilization for up to two weeks for many consumers we are told. In Montreal first they lost their power and now water has diminished to a trickle. Banks are closed. People can't even get money from the ATMs. They went down days ago. Some stores are still open, but they have few products left that people need to survive -- they were all snapped up as the first waves of ice sheets blanketed Canada's 2nd largest city. Just now they are advising those who have been without power for more than 24 hours to throw out all perishables like milk, butter, meat, poultry and seafood (hmmm...garbage collection was suspended 3 days ago). You can get a hot shower at any fire or police station (most have emergency generators). Schools and non-essential government offices closed during the week. Hundreds of emergency shelters (many without power now) have been set up as families are forced to leave their chilly homes. A few have been burning down their houses as they pressed poorly maintained ornamental fireplaces into service. Others have been exphixating themselves by burning propane heaters without adequate ventilation. People cooking with indoor hibatchis and BBQs are also keeping our firemen busy. Isolation in rural areas is taking its toll. Finally government emergency electrical generators have started to arrive. Computer fed electronically milked cattle remain unmilked after days. They bleat and moan through the night as many explode and die. Bloated milk trucks drive aimlessly between unpowered overflowing milk processing plants. Much of it is being dumped even as negotiations are finalized with Michigan milk processors to handle the overproduction. It is just above freezing here now and people are being advised to wear bike or hockey helmits if they venture outdoors. Pounds of ice is releasing its icey grip and raining down everywhere. The freezing rain clouds themselves are heading East to complete their mission. The sun is trying to break through. Tonight the tempatures are expected to plunge down to -12C (10F). It will remain cold for the next few days. Those without power and water are being advised to switch everything off (and even throw their circuit breakers so that their homes don't become huge current sinks as they come back on-line) plus empty their toilets and fill them with anti-freeze if they are planning on going to a shelter. Those with power and water are being asked to conserve by shutting down and disconnecting anything that is not essential. Everyone's Christmas lights looked beautiful encased in ice jewels -- but obviously they should be the first to be unplugged. c-ya! c-also... The National Transcripts [INLINE] ______________________________________________________________ Title: Headlines. Host: PETER MANSBRIDGE Date: 980106 - *Tue 06-Jan-98* Time: 22:00:00 ET - 22:26:00 ET CBC-TV THE NATIONAL ANNOUNCER: From CBC News.. PETER MANSBRIDGE: Tonight: ice storm chaos -- hundreds-of- thousands are spending a night without power in Quebec. The Eagleson saga... Tue: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980106.html Wed: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980107.html Thu: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980108.html Fri: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980109.html NOTE: Fri 09-Jan-98 will not be on the Web before 10am Mon 12-Jan-98 - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jan 1998 03:58:56 -0700 From: Ross Monteath <(suppressed)@freenet.carleton.ca> Subject: Re: Ice World Cometh The Ice Crisis - Day 7 The Ice Storms finished their work on day 5. A large Arctic air mass has moved in pulling temperatures down more each night. Many fallen trees still block many roads. Many stranded people remain without heat, power, phones and water. In the Maritimes: Clean up is proceeding nicely. Only a couple of thousand remain without power. In Quebec: Montreal is emerging from darkness. Montreal Island comes back on line. Over a million still without power in the Montreal area. From the South Shore and to the East many will be without power for up to two weeks. They call it The Triangle of Darkness. Twisted steel Kachinas are being temporarily replaced with timber pilons...timber brought in from the United States because there is none left in the province suitable for the job. Four of the five major trunklines from the massive James Bay hydro electric project that feed the Montreal area need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Montreal police now have special powers to remove people from unheated homes. 9,000 army troops have been given the powers of peace officers to arrest any looters. They do not carry weapons. Looting is not a big problem. In the shelters people have not been sleeping well for a week. Some theiving while people do sleep has prompted soldiers to be put on patrol there too. The emotional stress is starting to show on people's faces. They mention that many have not been able to bathe in over seven days and they mention the smell in the shelters. Reports of some shop keepers profiteering... Candle $10.00 Milk 6.00 Bread 4.00 Cigarettes 7.00 Batteries Ha! Shots of $27,000 worth of spoiled meat going into a dumpster. Total of $100,000 worth of perishables being wheeled out. That is only one grocery store. A South Shore bank opened today for two hours. Withdrawls were limited to $100. The manager fears he will run out of money. A week ago they took heat for granted. Today it is a commodity and it's in short supply. But generally people are pulling together. Today a help line received over 8,000 calls from people with heat and power willing to take in refugees. In South-Eastern Ontario: In our area over 5,000 hydro poles snapped like matchsticks. Transformers are down. PCBs are spilling out into fields and onto the roads. Some areas have no power, no phone and no roads. The roads are littered with fractured trees and fallen utility poles. Even the cellular phone grid has been corrupted. Heroic stories of Ham Radio Operators. The military has proved very effective in going door to door in rual areas and offering assistance. One of the saddest things has been shooting suffering unmilked dairy cattle. New gas powered Honda and Yamaha electrical generators arrive by the truckload. One Home Depot sold 1,900 in two days...expect 1,000 more any day now. They show how to modify them so they will run in the cold air. A couple of service guys will stay at the store so people can bring them back for adustments. Somebody stole the emergency power generator from a telephone transformer cutting off several thousand people once again! Portable generator stolen from train tracks disabled signal lights used both on road crossings and by the trains! On our local news they had a shot of a grid map in the local hydro electric office. It would represent an area that is probably in a 2 hour radius from around here. In the lower left corner there was short series of about 10 yellow highlighter lines that represented how much of the electrical grid they had rebuilt and restored service to 6 days after the intial waves of the Ice Storm hit. The following is a list of customers who remained without power as of 6pm Monday 12-Jan-98!... _Power Outages_ West Quebec 26,163 Hull and Aylmer 8,661 Gatineau and Buckingham 7,397 Val-des-Monts 2,837 Cantley 1,369 Chelsea 1,500 Papineauville 4,708 Shawville 1,268 Maniwaki 904 Ottawa/Vanier/Rockliffe 4-5,000 Nepean urban almost all restored Nepean rural 40 Gloucester 100 Kanata restored Ottawa Hydro 82,000 Rockalnd restored Kingstone and area 17,800 North Grenville/Kempville 16,000 Vankleek Hill/Hawkesbury 17,700 Winchester/Osgoode/ Morrisburg/Kars 32,000 Brockville and area 15,000 Russell Township 13,000 Village of Richmond restored Embrun 1,800 Cornwall 500 Perth/Almont/Carleton Place 7,000 Metcalffe/Kars/ Manotick/North Gower 15,000 Arnprior 3,000 Renfrew restored Cobden 275 Some of these folks, particularly in the rural areas, may be without power for up to four more weeks! "Spend what they need to and worry about paying the bills later." -- Ontario Premier Mike Harris (He's the bilderberg turkey that's been slashing government spending to control the defacite. So much for the surplus that he has started to build up after bleeding the taxpayers for a couple of years, eh?.) Harris and Prime Minister Jean Chretien remain in Canada while Governor General Romeo Leblanc sheppards a week long "Team Canada" free trade mission to Mexico and South America. Leblanc is criticized for not addressing concerns over Latin American corruption the way that Chretien was expected to. It looks like the signing of this bogus "Oaxaca-Kahnawake Trade and Commerce Convention" is part of that "free" trade mission! Total Ice Storm cost estimates: Perhaps 3.5 times greater than any natural disaster that has ever hit the nation. The CBC coverage has been quite remarkable... Tue: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980106.html Wed: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980107.html Thu: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980108.html Fri: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980109.html Mon: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/trans/T980112.html NOTE: Mon 12-Jan-98 will not be on the Web before 10am Tue 13-Jan-98 - -- +----------------------------------- ~~~ -----------------------------+ | Standing Bear @ @ Ross Monteath | | as857@freenet.carleton.ca . ^ . Amazing Images Inc | `----------------------------------- \_/ -----------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:17:29 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> Subject: New Cree language lesson online Lesson 12: Departure and arrival http://www.nisto.com/cree/lesson/12.html - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:50:29 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> Subject: Fwd: Quebec City demonstration - Friends of the Lubicon I got this from the Friends of the Lubicon mailing list, today. - --- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:30:40 -0500 To: fol-l@tao.ca Reply-To: fol@tao.ca The following article appeared in the Hour, in Montreal, this week: Free-speech and native-rights supporters are heading to Quebec City next Friday (Jan. 23) to mark the second anniversary of an Ontario court decision that places corporate profit ahead of the right to protest. Organizers against the multinational Daishowa paper company say they're preparing to relocate their boycott in case February's final ruling goes against Ontario activists. In 1989, the Alberta government granted Daishowa logging rights on 29,000 sq. km of forest claimed by the Lubicon Lake Cree. [ed note: Daishowa received rights to cut a full 29,000 square km in Alberta, but only 10,000 of that is on Lubicon traditional lands] "The Lubicon asked Daishowa to make a commitment to neither cut nor buy logs until the claim was resolved, but they have refused," explains organizer Marc Drouin. So the Toronto-based Friends of the Lubicon (FoL) began an extremely successful boycott, getting businesses such as Pizza Pizza and the Ontario Liquor Control Board to stop buying paper bags and other products from the Japanese multinational. Daishowa - saying it was losing $11 million in revenues - filed suit against three FoL members and was granted a temporary injunction against boycott organizing. The FoL defended themselves on the grounds that the company was complicit in long-term genocide. The case finally wrapped up in Ontario District Court Dec. 12, with a decision pending in early February that could levy damages against the activists and make the injunction permanent. If so, says Drouin, action against Daishowa could move to Quebec. "We're building public awareness in another jurisdiction in case the boycott has to be transferred." Though the federal Charter of Rights doesn't apply to private-party lawsuits in Ontario, a judge here would be bound by the free-speech guarantees in Quebec's human-rights code. Next Friday, Amiti� Lubicons-Qu�bec will be picketing in front of Daishowa's pulp and paper mill in Quebec City and rallying at nearby C�gep de Limoilou. "Daishowa in Quebec City is seen as a good corporate citizen, supporting the community and 'green' projects," says Drouin. "We want to bring these other issues to light." Buses leave Comit� Social Centre-Sud, 1710 Beaudry, at 8:45 am. Anyone interested is asked to reserve seats by calling 844-0484. by Wilson, Carl - --- end forwarded text Lubicon Supporters web site: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/Lubicon/main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:41:56 -0700 From: Cecil Chabot <(suppressed)@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA> Subject: [Fwd: Delgamuukw: SCC Calls Aboriginal Title a Burden] Hello, The following article is a succinct account of the recent Supreme Court decision and its importance. - --------------3FC217B111EE Received: from thecity.sfsu.edu (thecity.sfsu.edu [130.212.2.101]) by chinook.CC.McGill.CA (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24952 for <(suppressed)@po-box.mcgill.ca>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thecity.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04241; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:13:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: thecity.sfsu.edu: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: Errors-To: mandell@thecity.sfsu.edu Reply-To: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Originator: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Sender: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Precedence: bulk From: (suppressed)@envirolink.org (S.I.S.I.S.) To: Multiple recipients of list <(suppressed)@thecity.sfsu.edu> Subject: Delgamuukw: SCC Calls Aboriginal Title a Burden X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Indigenous Peoples' resources on the World Wide Web Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 SUPREME COURT CALLS ABORIGINAL TITLE A BURDEN The Martlet, Thursday, Jan. 8, 1998, by Chris Morabito A long-running and historic land-claims case ended Dec. 11, 1997, when the Supreme Court of Canada sent the Delgamuukw case back to B.C. for retrial. The Supreme Court also recommended the government and Aboriginals negotiate a treaty rather than pursue a solution through the courts. The claim, started over 17 years ago, involves the Gitxsan and Wet'suwet'en nations. Gitxsan and Wet'suwet'en leaders were quick to announce the Supreme Court ruling as a victory for their nations, which have together claimed a territory of 57,000 square km in northwestern B.C. The Supreme Court ruling overturned a 1991 decision by B.C. judge Allan McEachern that Aboriginal rights had been extinguished by the colonial government of British Columbia. According to the recent Supreme Court ruling, McEachern (who was later promoted to Chief Justice), erred in dismissing the oral histories of the nations' chiefs as evidence they occupied the territories in question. The Supreme Court ruled: "He [McEachern] dismissed the action against Canada, dismissed the plaintiffs' claims for ownership and jurisdiction and for Aboriginal rights in the territory, granted a declaration that the plaintiffs were entitled to use unoccupied or vacant land subject to the general laws of the province, [and] dismissed the claim for damages..." The Supreme Court ruled the province had no authority to extinguish Aboriginal rights under the Constitution Act, 1867 or by section 88 of the Indian Act, and that Aboriginal title "still exists though it is only a burden on the Crown's underlying title." The plaintiffs originally pursued ownership and jurisdiction over their traditional territories during the trial. On appeal in B.C., the claims for ownership and jurisdiction were replaced by claims for Aboriginal title and self-government. The Supreme Court ruled a new trial was necessary because "[W]hat the appellants sought by way of declaration and what they set out to prove by way of evidence were two different matters." The Supreme Court also ruled that although Aboriginal rights are protected by the Canadian constitution, they are not absolute and may be infringed upon by the federal or provincial governments. The development of agriculture, forestry, fishing, mining, hydroelectric power and the general economic development of the interior of B.C. are just some of the infringements which supercede Aboriginal rights. However, the Supreme Court ruling did not address jurisdiction, which is the legal argument that Aboriginal sovereignty is already defined in existing law. It means that B.C. has no legal right to impose decisions made by non-native courts on Aboriginal nations. In a 1991 article entitled "The Fork In The Road", Tsemhquw (aka Harold Pascal), of the Lil'wat People's Movement wrote: "[T]he non-native courts do not lawfully enjoy the jurisdiction to decide the question of existing Aboriginal rights since that question has already been decided and confirmed constitutionally in the natives' favor." Bill Lightbown, a Kootenay elder and former President of the United Native Nations, said the question of sovereignty has been continuously stonewalled by the courts in B.C. Lightbown said the only time the jurisdiction argument ever went before the Supreme Court was during the Gustafsen Lake standoff. Aboriginal constitutional-rights lawyer Dr. Bruce Clark presented the jurisdiction laws to the court in an attempt to seek an injunction against further aggression by the RCMP at Gustafsen Lake. Clark was ordered to return to B.C. to raise the issue in a lower court. "Well he hasn't been able to raise the issue again," said Lightbown, "because they keep beating him up and throwing him in jail." Dr. Clark called the Delgamuukw case a "very sophisticated fraud" because: "[T]he essence of the native sovereignty position is that until there's a treaty, the Indians were here first and they have jurisdiction. Therefore, until there is a treaty the non-Indians don't have jurisdiction and correspondingly, their courts don't have jurisdiction." While sovereigntists believe that Delgamuukw's end in law is a victory because the B.C. courts can no longer claim that it has settled the jurisdiction argument for Aboriginals, they don't see treaty negotiations with governments that have no legal jurisdiction as very rewarding. Lightbown says the purpose of treaty negotiations is to give up the legitimate Aboriginal title and sovereignty that already exists in B.C. "The treaty process is more of the continued theft of our lands that has been taking place in the past 100-odd years in B.C. and the last 400 years in Canada," said Lightbown. "There's no question it's a fraudulent process. If there was a proper justice process it would never stand up in any court of law." :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Letters to the Martlet: martlet@uvic.ca, :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: S.I.S.I.S. Settlers In Support of Indigenous Sovereignty P.O. Box 8673, Victoria, "B.C." "Canada" V8X 3S2 EMAIL: SISIS@envirolink.org WWW: http://kafka.uvic.ca/~vipirg/SISIS/SISmain.html SOVERNET-L is a news-only listserv concerned with indigenous sovereigntist struggles around the world. To subscribe, send "subscribe sovernet-l" in the body of an email message to <(suppressed)@speakeasy.org> For more information on sovernet-l, contact S.I.S.I.S. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:33:21 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> Subject: Syllabics and Unicode (computer text standard) There is a proposal before ISO (International Standards Organization) for incorporating a "Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics" into Unicode. http://www.indigo.ie/egt/standards/sl/n1441-en.html Unicode is a standard for uniquely identifying characters accross alphabets. As it is integrated into computer systems, it will become easier to use, and communicate with, a variety of alphabets. In other words, this should make it easier to work on computers in the syllabics, as well as use them in network communications (such as syllabics for email and web pages). There still remains a lot of work to be done in making computers operate in Cree and other aboriginal languages, but this is a good step. I'm still looking for people who would be interested in working on translations of computer system terminologies into Cree (Menu commands, error messages, program names, etc.). If you are interested, know someone who might be, or know of other people working on adapting computer systems for aboriginal languages, please contact me. - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:58:02 -0700 From: (suppressed)@ionet.net Subject: post I am looking for genealogical information re: Paul Harvey Smith Sr. as Cree from Helena MT and an employee of the Great Northern Railway. His parents were Cecilia Boyer Anderson and Clarence Smith. His grandmother was Louise Thompson from Medicine Hat who married a French trapper named Boyer. Louise Thompson, who spoke several native american dialects, was a translator for the court system in Medicine Hat. Does anyone have info? Is there a Cree genealogical list on the net? Thanks Janet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jan 1998 01:03:28 -0700 From: "Fred Armando" <(suppressed)@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Cree translation Hello. My name is Fred Armando and I am a professional Portuguese/English translator. I recently had a colleague of mine ask for my help in finding as many translations for the phrase "quality without limit." I am sure he was able to get translations in most of the European languages, as well as Portuguese and Spanish, which many people would say, covers pretty much the entire Western hemisphere. Well, I couldn't disagree more. I am asking for help in obtaining a Cree equivalent for such a phrase, so that my friend could include it on his list and - hopefully - increase awareness regarding Native American languages. Could anyone help me? Maybe someone could also help me find other people who would be able to provide translations in other native American languages. I thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. Sincerely, Fred Armando Professional Translator Miami, FL - USA (305) 387-4528 annes@worldnet.att.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jan 1998 01:42:25 -0700 From: "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk> Subject: Re: post > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:53:38 -0500 > From: Roy and Janet Camp <(suppressed)@ionet.net> > Subject: post > To: cree@nisto.com > Reply-to: cree@list.nisto.com > I am looking for genealogical information re: Paul Harvey Smith Sr. as > Cree from Helena MT and an employee of the Great Northern Railway. His > parents were Cecilia Boyer Anderson and Clarence Smith. His grandmother > was Louise Thompson from Medicine Hat who married a French trapper named > Boyer. Louise Thompson, who spoke several native american dialects, was > a translator for the court system in Medicine Hat. Does anyone have > info? Is there a Cree genealogical list on the net? > Thanks Janet > > There is a book that may prove useful for genealogical information on Metis (and some of the people you discuss seem to be so) in the book: D.N. Sprague & R.P. Frye. 1983. The geneaology of teh first Metis Nation. The development and dispersal of the Red River Settlement. Winnipeg: Pemmican Publications. Ther is also a book by an American Metis on the geneaology of the Metis, but I cannot remember her name right now. The library of the Glenbow Institute in Calgary has it, and also a computerized, searchable database. As far as I know, both deal with the 19th century, perhaps a little into the 20th century. In Canada there are quite a few Metis with the name 'Boyer'. Peter Bakker (linpb@hum.aau.dk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:17:28 -0700 From: (suppressed)@systax.com Subject: RE: genealogy I can suggest another book: The Metis People of Canada: A History by The Alberta federation of Metis Settlement Associations and Daniel R. and Alda M. Anderson. [note the authors' names] printed 1978 The Glenbow - Alberta Institute is listed in the Acknowledgements, so that may help. bud ---------- From: (suppressed)@hum.aau.dk Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 12:56 AM To: cree@nisto.com Subject: Re: post <> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:53:38 -0500 > From: Roy and Janet Camp <(suppressed)@ionet.net> > Subject: post > To: cree@nisto.com > Reply-to: cree@list.nisto.com > I am looking for genealogical information re: Paul Harvey Smith Sr. as > Cree from Helena MT and an employee of the Great Northern Railway. His > parents were Cecilia Boyer Anderson and Clarence Smith. His grandmother > was Louise Thompson from Medicine Hat who married a French trapper named > Boyer. Louise Thompson, who spoke several native american dialects, was > a translator for the court system in Medicine Hat. Does anyone have > info? Is there a Cree genealogical list on the net? > Thanks Janet > > There is a book that may prove useful for genealogical information on Metis (and some of the people you discuss seem to be so) in the book: D.N. Sprague & R.P. Frye. 1983. The geneaology of teh first Metis Nation. The development and dispersal of the Red River Settlement. Winnipeg: Pemmican Publications. Ther is also a book by an American Metis on the geneaology of the Metis, but I cannot remember her name right now. The library of the Glenbow Institute in Calgary has it, and also a computerized, searchable database. As far as I know, both deal with the 19th century, perhaps a little into the 20th century. In Canada there are quite a few Metis with the name 'Boyer'. Peter Bakker (linpb@hum.aau.dk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Jan 1998 11:07:16 -0700 From: Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Cree translation Fred Armando wrote: > > Hello. > > My name is Fred Armando and I am a professional Portuguese/English > translator. I recently had a colleague of mine ask for my help in finding as > many translations for the phrase "quality without limit." > > I am sure he was able to get translations in most of the European languages, > as well as Portuguese and Spanish, which many people would say, covers > pretty much the entire Western hemisphere. Well, I couldn't disagree more. > > I am asking for help in obtaining a Cree equivalent for such a > phrase, so that my friend could include it on his list and - hopefully - > increase awareness regarding Native American languages. > > Could anyone help me? Maybe someone could also help me find other people who > would be able to provide translations in other native American languages. > > I thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. > > Sincerely, > > Fred Armando > Professional Translator > Miami, FL - USA > (305) 387-4528 > annes@worldnet.att.netIn Cree, "quality without limits" is hard to translate. "Kweyask ka-totaman" means you do it right. Cree philosophy has limits - there is always consequences to your actions, as told to me by someone else. Maybe there are others who think otherwise, but this is what I have been told. The phrase you are looking for is something I have not heard of said in Cree. Maybe perhaps there are other Cree who can help you, maybe they heard of such a phrase. Sorry if this is not any help. If you do find what you are looking for, email me back. Lamarr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:35:48 -0700 From: (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) Subject: Cree digest for 1998/1/27 Hello, my name is Lisa WhiteGrass-LeDeau, and i just received this note and reply about geneology....well i too am a Cree, a Chippewa Cree from the Reservation Rocky Boy, MT, up near the Canadian Border by Havre, Montana...there are alot of us Cree there in Montana, but only one Reservation in Montana of Cree,,,, there are a band of little Shell down by Billings but they are Pembina Chippewa...anyway, you mite want to check up there at the Agency of Rocky Boy....maybe they have something that will help you out...the only thing is, we are all Chippewa too, and we make one tribe...most all the Full Blood are up in Canada...also too, we are all related it seems.......i thought this mite help ... i dont know if it does nor not but i tried....good luck and Walk in Peace... Lisa aka Cree Woman Nehiyaw Wiskwew ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Jan 1998 21:40:45 -0700 From: (suppressed)@NorCom.mb.ca Subject: Cree does anyone know where "Cree" came from and what does it mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Jan 1998 02:16:34 -0700 From: "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk> Subject: Re: Cree > From: Bert@NorCom.mb.ca > Subject: Cree > To: cree@arpp.carleton.ca > Reply-to: cree@list.nisto.com > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:42:40 -0700 > does anyone know where "Cree" came from and what does it mean? > There is a long story by David Pentland in the Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 6 (Subarctic), p. 227. He says it is from Ojibwa (Old Algonkin) kiriStino (kirishtino), but he does not say waht it means. Crees sometimes have a folk etymology which says that it comes from 'Christian', called like this by the Europeans because they were so good people. It is very common that people are known by the name given to them by neighbouring people. Peter Bakker > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Digest