Cree Mailing List Digest Februrary 1998 X-List-Subscribe: X-List-Unsubscribe: X-List-Archive: X-List-Post: X-List-Owner: X-List-Help: , -> Re: Cree by (suppressed)@aol.com -> Learning about Native American Culture and History by "Fred Armando" <(suppressed)@worldnet.att.net> -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by christine aldridge <(suppressed)@bc.sympatico.ca> -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@fournier-art.com -> Cree digest for 1998/2/3 by (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History (was: Cree digest for 1998/2/3) by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> -> Cree Software by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@aol.com -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@aol.com -> Cree digest for 1998/2/4 by (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@fournier-art.com -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@aol.com -> [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) by Cree Listmom <(suppressed)@list.nisto.com> -> [Fwd: Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec] by Cecil Chabot <(suppressed)@po-box.mcgill.ca> -> Re: Cree by Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@fournier-art.com -> loving words by (suppressed)@aol.com -> Re: [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) by (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) -> Re: [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) by (suppressed)@istar.ca -> Cree digest for 1998/2/8 by (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) -> SumerWCree Valentine request by Russell Gopher <(suppressed)@hi-line.net> -> Re: Cree Monthly Help File by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Re: Cree Monthly Help File by (suppressed)@aol.com -> FW: Cree Monthly Help File by Malcolm East <(suppressed)@oz.net> -> [Cree Admin] End of Discussion (was: Cree Monthly Help File) by Cree Listmom <(suppressed)@list.nisto.com> -> Re: loving words by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Cree digest for 1998/2/13 by (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Re: FW: Cree Monthly Help File by (suppressed)@enter.net -> Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History by "norry@shaw.wave.ca" <(suppressed)@shaw.wave.ca> -> health information in Cree by (suppressed)@telusplanet.net (Vicky Busch) -> offerings by (suppressed)@istar.ca -> offerings by (suppressed)@istar.ca -> Re: offerings by Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Feb 1998 17:37:55 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: Re: Cree i am given the following by a friend who is known as Brave Cree@aol.com: The name Cree was put on us by the french from the word CREDAL it means creed or speaks the the truth. R. Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Feb 1998 05:15:00 -0700 From: "Fred Armando" <(suppressed)@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Learning about Native American Culture and History Hello. I am not a Native American and lately have had an interest in learning more about Native American culture and history. I am not, however, certain of where to begin looking for information. Many books out there seem rather incomplete and inaccurate. I guess what I would need is something general at first, to help me locate the different nations geographically and historically, and then I could get into a particular nation in more detail. Can anybody recommend books or resources on the Internet? Or, if someone think there's a better way of learning about it, please feel free to let me know. All comments will be appreciated. Thank you. Fred Armando Miami, FL - USA annes@worldnet.att.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Feb 1998 08:45:29 -0700 From: christine aldridge <(suppressed)@bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History Aaniin Tansi Fred and All Curious to know why you are looking to learn more about Native American cultures and then wanting to pick out just one for further study? I have heard of late there is a SCAM going on in some of states along the East Coast. There are groups of peoples going around passing themselves off as Canadian Metis demanding grant money and scholarships to attend school etc. They have stated they are from the Iroquois Nation, and have a Clan mother holding mixed nude sweats etc. Although they don't speak any of the native languages hear they are trying to learn Lakota. Anyone else heard of this group? What is your opinion on the what has been presented above? I don't think the Canadian Metis Associations would be too impressed if they heard of this news. For from what I gather it is giving a very bad name to Metis of Canada. If you want to know more contact me personally. Kinana'skomitna'wa'w. Mino-ayaawin, baamaa pii Christine At 06:24 AM 2/2/98 -0500, Fred Armando wrote: >Hello. > >I am not a Native American and lately have had an interest in learning more >about Native American culture and history. I am not, however, certain of >where to begin looking for information. Many books out there seem rather >incomplete and inaccurate. > >I guess what I would need is something general at first, to help me locate >the different nations geographically and historically, and then I could get >into a particular nation in more detail. Can anybody recommend books or >resources on the Internet? > >Or, if someone think there's a better way of learning about it, please feel >free to let me know. All comments will be appreciated. > >Thank you. > >Fred Armando >Miami, FL - USA >annes@worldnet.att.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Feb 1998 23:04:13 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History Hi I am full blood cree living in the states. It angers me to hear of all these phony wanbees trying to get in on Native benefits. I am a reserve Indian and I get and ask for nothing. My daughters are also registered wanting to go to school , and get nothing because we live in the states. Please write to me and tell me more Our homepage is http://www.enter.net/~lcb Louise Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Feb 1998 00:52:49 -0700 From: (suppressed)@fournier-art.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History Fred Armando wrote: > I guess what I would need is something general at first, to help me locate > the different nations geographically and historically, and then I could get > into a particular nation in more detail. Can anybody recommend books or > resources on the Internet? Start with "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown. Read it two times. Then "Indians Are Us" by Ward Churchill, (?) "Stolen Continents" and "Basic Departmental Data of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada", "The Conquest Of Mexico" by William Prescott and "The Ancient American Civilisations" by Friedrich Katz. Also Vine Deloria Jr. has many important books. Go to the library. The links page of the Aboriginal Day web site, below, has URL's for Jordan Dill's First Nations web site and many other locations of interest. Jordan has a list of recommended reading on his site. - -- Norman Fournier norman@fournier-art.com http://www.fournier-art.com http://www.aboriginalday.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 01:39:48 -0700 From: (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) Subject: Cree digest for 1998/2/3 Hello; i am responding to first Louise....I too am a full blood on ly i am Chippewa Cree, and yes i am enrolled...enrolled in the states at Rocky Boy Reservation in Montana....i live in the states and i get nothing too, my kids get nothing.....we are lucky to get $20 at christmas and the last time we got that wasnt since 1989? its been so long now i forgot....we are the smallest tribe here in the united states and the poorest/least paid in the states....yes i hear what you are saying about all the "wannabes" ....we are a fad now...it is "hip" to be indian for be of the descent....well where was every one when we all needed them the most? why not put all your efforts into support of us now? and the issues that are now at hand? (not aiming this at you Louise), how about my relative, Leonard Peltier? why not help support him and get him out of prison? he is the u.s. only political prisoner....and for what? because the government doesnt want to be found out that they were the ones at fault...no matter who shot who or what ever......if all the "wannabes" really want to be, then start supporting us where it matters...put your talk to the walk. ...help bear the burden and not just sounding noise that your so much degree of blood...this is where it matters and counts....also in comment to what they should read the best book i found and yes it was done by a whiteman, was Peter Mattheisen's "IN THE SPIRIT OF CRAZY HORSE" this will shed some light on the indian plight no matter what tribe it is your looking for....for this is the treatment that allhave gotten thru out the years...............to be one of us is to walk the trail we do...not just sounding noise about how sorry you are for us or that you are "Cherokee" by greatgreatgreat great so and so......if you are then you are and if you are then put it to work.... that is what matters.........i have spoken..... ki'htwa'm ka-wa'p(a)mit(i)na'wa'w Nehiyaw Wiskwew Cree Woman aka Clarrisa LeDeau-WhiteGrass Dykes qall93e@prodigy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 08:36:00 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History (was: Cree digest for 1998/2/3) At 1:35 AM -0700 1998/2/4, MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE wrote: >Leonard Peltier? why not >help support him and get him out of prison? he is the u.s. only >political prisoner.... Not to in any way belittle what has been done to Peltier, but there are others such as Mumia Abu Jamal, too. >and for what? because the government doesnt >want to be found out that they were the ones at fault...no matter who >shot who or what ever......if all the "wannabes" really want to be, >then start supporting us where it matters...put your talk to the walk. It is important for people to remember that, even with the little "progress" that is being made (such as the Canadian government's recent "apology" and such), there is still mass suffering, exploitation and oppression going on "in our own back yards." The cultures and languages that have survived the genocide so far remain under serious threat of being lost forever. I was in one of those "New Age" type stores this weekend. There were all sorts of cultural appropriations there ranging from greeting cards with "native imagery" to dream catchers and such. How many of the people who buy these things bother even trying to learn about the culture and the people behind them - let alone do something to actually give something back to those communities? - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 13:42:30 -0700 From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com> Subject: Cree Software I have finally started work on a "Cree Language Kit" for Macintosh, with some help from one of the engineers at Apple. I've also been contacted by some people who are prepared to help with the translations of computer terms (e.g., "File", "Edit", "Undo",...). There remains a lot of things that people can help with. I'm particularly interested in being put in contact with others who are working on computerization of aboriginal languages. Please contact me if you are interested in this, or pass this request along to others who might be interested. Thanks. Grant Neufeld - grant@nisto.com - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 16:00:41 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History << I was in one of those "New Age" type stores this weekend. There were all sorts of cultural appropriations there ranging from greeting cards with "native imagery" to dream catchers and such. How many of the people who buy these things bother even trying to learn about the culture and the people behind them - let alone do something to actually give something back to those communities >> Perhaps if everytime someone who you classify as a wannabe or who hasn't, in your eyes, "walked the trail" were not shunned, berated, belittled, name- called, and verbally attacked when they DID try to learn something?? Let's be fair, folks. I watch ed this same issue get beat to death on America Online's Native American Forum Message Boards for literally months. Arguments between who was "Indian enough" and who was "more Indian than the other," demands for respect and recognition. I am going to say the same thing to you that I said to them, and then I am going to walk away from it. YES, you have a right to expect to be respected. YES, you have a right to be indignant. BUT ... it is not within human nature to "respect" someone just because that someone or those someones say they should be respected! While an ideal situation would have us starting with respect in the first place, life has never been ideal, now has it? If you want people to respect you, your culture, your rights, then you have to allow them to UNDERSTAND you. You can't do that by shouting. You can't do that by DEMANDING. You can't do that by saying this belongs to my culture and you can't have it unless you explain WHY it is the other person can't have it. Does the fact that the cross is a religious icon of Christianity stop non- christians from wearing it? NO. Does the fact that a six-pointed star is the symbol of the Jewish house of King David stop quilters from quilting it? NO. Does the fact that Moslems pray toward the east mean YOU CAN'T? NO!!! Does the fact that I am part English and part Scott-Irish and part German and part Norwegian and part Indian mean I can't be whole anything? NO! What makes me whole is taking my MIND and my BODY and my SPIRIT and putting it all together. THAT is a whole. And in THAT whole I am one tiny part of a greater circle. If the knock-off dream-catchers and other items offend you, then don't complain and WHINE about it. DO something! That knock-off isn't anyone stealing your culture. That's someone who WANTED to know you, who TRIED to know you and who, when you turned your back on them because they weren't "Indian," refused to give up what little they did know about you. If you want their respect then EARN it. NO one respects anyone on this earth more than someone who has TAUGHT them something. If you want that respect you are so quick to point out has been refused you then stop refusing them. TEACH them. Just like YOUR elders taught you. Just like MY elders taught me. I don't remember EVER being taught that someone was unworthy because of the color of his or her skin. If you were taught that, I am indeed sorry for you. In the words of Johnetta B. Cole, an African-American woman and president of Spellman College, "There is no such thing as an uneducable child. There are only unteaching teachers." The world is full of children of all ages. Anyone who is unknowledgeable in a subject is a child in that subject. You have a world full of children who need and want to learn from you. You hold so many keys to making this world a better place! Stop complaining and do something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 19:00:50 -0700 From: (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History I find this interesting - visa-visa ideas of strategic essentialism - how people use culture as a mechanism to enhance and gain control of power-knoweledge systems. However, the problem lies in the exclusionary situation that occurs when strategic essentialism becomes a political tool (ie. turning one's back). Being non-aborignal, I find it very difficult at times framing my envolvement with Native Issues - however, even when faced with exculsion, centreing out and sometimes deep anger from aboriginal people, I recognize that sometimes this must occur in a process of "healing" and thus take responsibility as a "priovalaged-white-male" to do all I can to become educated and aware of these very important isssues - everything is a learning experience - and not take those attacks too personally, but realize that they stem from systematic and epistemic violence that has been occurring since "government" turned thier back on aborignal Nations... LadiNred@aol.com wrote: > << I was in one of those "New Age" type stores this weekend. There > were all > sorts of cultural appropriations there ranging from greeting cards > with > "native imagery" to dream catchers and such. How many of the people > who buy > these things bother even trying to learn about the culture and the > people > behind them - let alone do something to actually give something back > to > those communities >> > > Perhaps if everytime someone who you classify as a wannabe or who > hasn't, in > your eyes, "walked the trail" were not shunned, berated, belittled, > name- > called, and verbally attacked when they DID try to learn something?? > Let's be > fair, folks. I watch ed this same issue get beat to death on America > Online's > Native American Forum Message Boards for literally months. Arguments > between > who was "Indian enough" and who was "more Indian than the other," > demands for > respect and recognition. I am going to say the same thing to you that > I said > to them, and then I am going to walk away from it. > > YES, you have a right to expect to be respected. YES, you have a > right to be > indignant. BUT ... it is not within human nature to "respect" someone > just > because that someone or those someones say they should be respected! > While an > ideal situation would have us starting with respect in the first > place, life > has never been ideal, now has it? If you want people to respect you, > your > culture, your rights, then you have to allow them to UNDERSTAND you. > You > can't do that by shouting. You can't do that by DEMANDING. You can't > do that > by saying this belongs to my culture and you can't have it unless you > explain > WHY it is the other person can't have it. > > Does the fact that the cross is a religious icon of Christianity stop > non- > christians from wearing it? NO. Does the fact that a six-pointed star > is the > symbol of the Jewish house of King David stop quilters from quilting > it? NO. > Does the fact that Moslems pray toward the east mean YOU CAN'T? NO!!! > Does > the fact that I am part English and part Scott-Irish and part German > and part > Norwegian and part Indian mean I can't be whole anything? NO! What > makes me > whole is taking my MIND and my BODY and my SPIRIT and putting it all > together. > THAT is a whole. And in THAT whole I am one tiny part of a greater > circle. > > If the knock-off dream-catchers and other items offend you, then don't > > complain and WHINE about it. DO something! That knock-off isn't > anyone > stealing your culture. That's someone who WANTED to know you, who > TRIED to > know you and who, when you turned your back on them because they > weren't > "Indian," refused to give up what little they did know about you. > > If you want their respect then EARN it. NO one respects anyone on > this earth > more than someone who has TAUGHT them something. If you want that > respect you > are so quick to point out has been refused you then stop refusing > them. TEACH > them. Just like YOUR elders taught you. Just like MY elders taught > me. I > don't remember EVER being taught that someone was unworthy because of > the > color of his or her skin. If you were taught that, I am indeed sorry > for you. > > In the words of Johnetta B. Cole, an African-American woman and > president of > Spellman College, "There is no such thing as an uneducable child. > There are > only unteaching teachers." The world is full of children of all > ages. Anyone > who is unknowledgeable in a subject is a child in that subject. You > have a > world full of children who need and want to learn from you. You hold > so many > keys to making this world a better place! Stop complaining and do > something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Feb 1998 19:57:08 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History I am distressed by letter of LadyNRed who has made many assumptions about the CREE people.... I wonder how some can judge a people by there Internet experiences when the best way to know a people is thru personal contact. To actually meet the people, look into their eyes, hear the sound/warmth of their voice. Discussions of blood and race always end up with someone feeling hurt. BUT we are CREE by blood. It is the blood that binds us and identifies us and links us as a people and in larger perspective as a race.... People can be "Indian in their heart" and be filled with love and good intentions but they are still what they truly are. Let us all embrace and celebrate who we are and bring our gifts to each other to common ground.... I also suggest that before a people are criticized that one become knowledgeable about that people and do not try to lump all the people and their traditions, etc., into one lump called Indian. Though unification of the peoples is something I would like to see happen each people must retain their own identity and pride and traditions and languages or we are as lost as though we were assimilated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Feb 1998 00:29:46 -0700 From: (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) Subject: Cree digest for 1998/2/4 REPLYING TO ALL: i couldnt agree more whole heartedly about that fact that yes, most of our indian cultures and languages, including my own, are in threat of being lost forever....i didnt mean to offfend anyone about what i said, and i also coudnt agree more about "it comes from the heart"...that is and who we are, that which is in the heart, and yes degree doesnt matter its what is in the heart...i have seen alot of (and excuse the term) "white people who are more "full blood" than some "full bloods" i know, for that matter my own husband, who is of "white" descent....no we dont want to put all of our tribes into one conglomerate pot and lose our identity as a single one, but unify as one and still maintain that single identity, instead of whose is better than who....by the term i used as "we are basically all of the same beliefs" i was basically generalizing, because it is true, but didnt mean that we all believe exactly the same thing, because we dont, it varies from tribe to tribe.....and yes i also agree, instead of rejecting those who want to know, help those who in sincere earnest want to know, know.......i just had to clarify myself on these things.....of late my thinking gets a bit muddled having to deal with one of my children's death, but in a nut shell these are my beliefs, and i dont mean to step on anyone elses .. .. dealing with death at times one wants to lash out and yes i am human too....and one in pain....reading all that you have to say does help also.....Creator does have his ways of teaching, and in manners quite unexpected too..... Nehiyaw Wiskwew Clarrisa LeDeau-WhiteGrass Dykes QALL93e@prodigy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Feb 1998 21:53:04 -0700 From: (suppressed)@fournier-art.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History LadiNred@aol.com wrote: *snip* > I am going to say the same thing to you that I said > to them, and then I am going to walk away from it. Perhaps you could have walked away before you belittled and berated the Cree people again. If there is someone trying to make a quick buck by stealing our culture, they desrve our contempt. *snip* > If you want people to respect you, your > culture, your rights, then you have to allow them to UNDERSTAND you. You > can't do that by shouting. You can't do that by DEMANDING. Typing in all caps is considered SHOUTING. *snip* > Does the fact that the cross is a religious icon of Christianity stop non- > christians from wearing it? NO. Who would want to wear a crucifix except a christian? Is it not a sybol of their belief in the ressurection of Christ? *snip* > If the knock-off dream-catchers and other items offend you, then don't > complain and WHINE about it. DO something! That knock-off isn't anyone > stealing your culture. That's someone who WANTED to know you, who TRIED to > know you and who, when you turned your back on them because they weren't > "Indian," refused to give up what little they did know about you. So that they could make a quick buck. Stealing from the Cree. They have no right. What do you suggest I do? *snip* > If you want their respect then EARN it. They are beyond reason and have no shame. I don't want their respect. They are not worthy of the association that would be implied by my having their respect. *snip* > Stop complaining and do something. I am doing something. I wrote this email. They have no right to any aboriginal symbols. They are not theirs for financial gain but are sacred symbols to the aboriginal people of Turtle Island. The Two Row Wampum is not a trademark but a symbol of the sacred agreement between soverign nations. Knock-offs made for a quick buck by non-aboriginals are degrading. I am not whining - I am telling you that you are wrong. Now, walk away LadiNred. - -- Norman Fournier norman@fournier-art.com http://www.fournier-art.com http://www.aboriginalday.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Feb 1998 20:49:20 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History In a message dated 98-02-05 23:57:23 EST, someone writes: << Now, walk away LadiNred. >> Gee ... I don't recall attacking any individuals in my post. I don't recall attacking anyone. Only stating my opinion which, when I became educated in the internet and listserve etiquette a number of years ago, was what listserves such as this were about ... sharing ideas and opinions and agreeing to disagree. Thank you so much for proving so succinctly and simply the point of my post. I marvel at the eloquence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Feb 1998 11:42:22 -0700 From: Cree Listmom <(suppressed)@list.nisto.com> Subject: [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) My apologies to the list for not stepping in sooner. Since the discussion has fallen into apparent personal attacks and accusations, I will now ask that it end here. Any further postings of this nature will be grounds for removal from the list. If you have any constructive, non-attacking, comments to add to the discussion of appropriation or sharing of cultural items, please hold onto them for a couple weeks to allow for a "cooling off" period. At that time, if you want to reopen the discussion in a friendly manner, please send the message privately to me for review before posting to the list. Other topics are still open, so please feel free to continue to use this list as it was prior to this recent 'uproar'. There is no need for rudeness, attacks, or such in the discussion here. If you feel anger about something you read here, I suggest you give yourself a couple days to prepare a well thought out response rather than sending an immediate response that is heavily flavored by that anger. Additionally, do not respond to attacks with a counterattack. That is called a "flame war" and does absolutely no good for anyone. If you believe a posting someone has made is inappropriate for the list, please do not respond to the list. Send any complaints or concerns privately to me and I will attempt to deal with them without annoying the rest of the list. I'll note that three subscribers left this list yesterday, I suspect in response to the unfortunate turn of the discussion here. Considering that there have been on average no more than a couple unsubscriptions a month, this is a "bad thing". - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Feb 1998 14:50:16 -0700 From: Cecil Chabot <(suppressed)@po-box.mcgill.ca> Subject: [Fwd: Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec] Received: from sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (sirocco.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.12]) by chinook.CC.McGill.CA (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA23079 for <(suppressed)@po-box.mcgill.ca>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from thecity.sfsu.edu (thecity.sfsu.edu [130.212.2.101]) by sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20926 for <(suppressed)@po-box.mcgill.ca>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:41:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thecity.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA25989; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP-Posting-Origin: thecity.sfsu.edu (thecity.sfsu.edu [130.212.2.101]) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: thecity.sfsu.edu: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <(suppressed)@outpost.ietc.ca> Errors-To: mandell@thecity.sfsu.edu Reply-To: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Originator: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Sender: nativeweb@thecity.sfsu.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Georges Lessard :-)" <(suppressed)@ietc.ca> To: Multiple recipients of list <(suppressed)@thecity.sfsu.edu> Subject: Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Indigenous Peoples' resources on the World Wide Web Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: (suppressed)@eureka.qc.ca (Jean-Guy Aube) To: reseau@lists.nothingness.org, bernard@infobahnos.com, frapru@cam.org Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:46:29 -0500 Subject: (act-mtl) Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec Organization: Eureka Communications inc. Reply-to: act-mtl-d@concordia.ca Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec News Release Thursday February 5, 1998 Splitting the Sky speaking in Ontario and Quebec Splitting The Sky (John Hill), spokesperson for the Free the Wolverine Campaign, will be speaking in Ontario and Quebec from February 7 to 14, 1998 to raise awarness about the1995 Gustafsen Lake crisis . The speaking tour will be going to Windsor, Guelph, Waterloo, Hamilton, Toronto, Peterborough and Montreal. Splitting The Sky is a former political prisoner and lifetime pan-Indigenist activist from the Mohawk nation. He took part in the defense of Shuswap territory at Ts'Peten (a.k.a. Gustafsen Lake) and is now a spokesperson for the Free Wolverine Campaign. He will be speaking about his experiences during the Gustafsen Lake seige, the subsequent trial, the legal arguments used by the defenders and how this crisis fits into the larger issue of contemporary colonialism in Canada. Splitting the Sky will be showing the video "Above the Law" (45 min) during his talk. The trials of the Shushwap defenders have proven that the involvement of the Canadian Forces in the Gustafsen Lake seige was illegal, that the army breached its own Rules of Engagement, and that over 20,000 rounds of internationally prohibited hollow-point ammunition were fired at camp occupants. On July 30, 1997, the year long criminal trial ended with 15 defendants being convicted, 13 receiving prison terms. Wolverine (William Jones Ignace), a 66 year old Shuswap elder, was sentenced to eight yea rs in prison. The judge refused to recognize the jurisdictional arguments and sovereignty defence that the Ts'peten defenders put forward, and their evidence that Canada was in violation of international law. The Ts'Peten defenders are now political prisoners in Canada. The tour schedule is: Saturday February 7, 1998- Windsor, Embasador Auditorium, CAW Centre 7:30 p.m. Contact OPIRG Windsor for more info 519-253-1745 Monday February 9, 1998- Guelph, Room 103 University Centre, Guelph University 8:00 p.m. Contact OPIRG Guelph for more info 519-824-2091 Tuesday February 10, 1998- Waterloo, Waterloo PIRG office, University of Waterloo, call OPIRG Waterloo 519-888-4882 for time. Wednesday February 11, 1998- Hamilton, Ewart Angus Roo 1A4, MacMaster University Medical Centre 7:30 p.m.Contact OPIRG McMaster for more info 905-525-9140x27289. Thursday February 12, 1998- Toronto, International Student Centre 33 Saint George St. University of Toronto 2:00 p.m. Contact OPIRG Toronto for more info 416-978-7770 Thursday February 12, 1998 - York, Steadman Lecture Hall-C, York University 6:00 p.m. Contact OPIRG York for more info 416-736-2100x30323 Friday February 13, 1998- Peterborough, P.R. Lecture Hall, Peter Robinson College 1:30 p.m. Contact OPIRG Peterborough for more info 705-748-1767 Saturday February 14, 1998-Montreal, 1455 Maisonneuve vest h 110 Concordia University 7:00 p.m. Contact OPIRG Concordia 514--848-7585 For more information about the speaking tour, please contact the Anti-Colonial Action Alliance by email: thassan@trentu.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- research education action Q u e b e c P u b l i c I n t e r e s t R e s e a r c h G r o u p at Concordia University - ------------------ http://alcor.concordia.ca/~qpirg/ ------------------ - - - - - - - - Signature File - - - - - - - :-) :-) NEW HOME PAGE ANNOUNCEMENT (-: (-: http://members.tripod.com/~media002/index.html INCLUDES SELECTED BOOKMARKS IN MEDIA AND DEVELOPMENT http://members.tripod.com/~media002/02bkmrk.html International Jobsearch Links http://members.tripod.com/~media002/bkmrks-1.html - - - - - - - - Signature File - - - - - - - Georges Lessard Community Communication Arts, Training, Management & Mentoring Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key. 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Original material (c) copyright c 1998 G.A.Lessard & may be quoted, resent, reproduced, stored or forwarded provided this copyright notice is attached. Forwarded or mined material is the property of the original copyright owners. - 30 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Feb 1998 15:08:08 -0700 From: Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Cree Bert@NorCom.mb.ca wrote: > > does anyone know where "Cree" came from and what does it mean?Tansi. Any luck on finding out where "Cree" came from? If you did, wanna let me know? Lamarr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Feb 1998 01:29:10 -0700 From: (suppressed)@fournier-art.com Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History Open letter to the Cree list, I apologize to the users that felt insulted or compelled to leave the list because of my belligerent rhetoric. I retract any personal references in my previous post. I will put myself in the postition of the correspondent to whom I am posting. Respectfully, Norman Fournier norman@fournier-art.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Feb 1998 05:31:04 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: loving words dear list members you may think this is a silly request but i would like to have each person who reads the list send some words of love both in their language with translation. given the heated words of the past few days and the comming valentines day i believe these loving words way appropriate my sweetheart who is not Cree always leaves me with the word namehotatse it is Cheyenne meaning I love you to the list members I give these words to you now ~ namehotatse Sumer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Feb 1998 19:37:11 -0700 From: (suppressed)@accel.net (Siomonn Pulla) Subject: Re: [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) > I am very happy that the list has come to this point!! Very good for all of us - a great learning exp - My deepest and greatest sentiments of Joy and love to all the people on the list!! Thanks Siomonn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Feb 1998 01:27:17 -0700 From: (suppressed)@istar.ca Subject: Re: [Cree Admin] End of discussion (was: Learning about Native American Culture and History) A most heart felt love to all on this list. May you all receive great happiness and joy today, and in the future!!!!!! ...................M.Fraser ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Feb 1998 03:32:07 -0700 From: (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) Subject: Cree digest for 1998/2/8 Ge-ta-mi-hen......Thank You.....Cree (as taught by an aunt when a small child) Clarrisa LeDeau-WhiteGrass Dykes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Feb 1998 09:38:01 -0700 From: Russell Gopher <(suppressed)@hi-line.net> Subject: SumerWCree Valentine request SumerWCree requested Cree greetings in her Feb. 8th posting: miwahsin kamiyo wichetok, miwahsin kahsahkitok, ahwahsisahk ekwah keteyahk kahkichemichik. Eatahmiskatahkok kahkiyo anoch nitotemahk (It's good when people get together, good when people love one another, when children and elders are the most honored people around. I greet you all today, my friends!) I am the Ed. Tech. Coord. for the K-12 school system here at Rocky Boy Schools in Montana Kitwahmkikahwahpahmitinahwahw! (I shall see you again) Russell Gopher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Feb 1998 20:12:10 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: Cree Monthly Help File I , being Cree, do not object to others who want to be, act like , or want to learn native ways. My husband is white, and he is the nicest wanabe I know. The Wanabe's that anger me are the" WanaBenies" or ones that want the benefits without the blood, or that trace amount that gets them on the doles. Or how about the ones who become Native through some dream or ceremony. I'm not putting anyone down, but wow, where is the conscience. Be proud of who you are, no matter who you are Louise B ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Feb 1998 01:49:44 -0700 From: (suppressed)@aol.com Subject: Re: Cree Monthly Help File All I asked was to be put on your subription list...I am Native American. I am not a wannabe or any of that other crap you listed...Actually Im offend that you even consider that Im a wannabe....Thats what wrong with our culture today..people like you who have this attitude about who they are and its to the point where its between tribes now... So forget that I even asked about subscribing to your list...I will pass this along to all my Native family, friends and contacts...Let them your rudeness and inconsideration and petty accusations.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:25:07 -0700 From: Malcolm East <(suppressed)@oz.net> Subject: FW: Cree Monthly Help File Dear People, There are many people who have recently discovered that some of their ancestors are Cree. In our family this was kept hidden to avoid discrimination, although by looking at us people knew and called us squaw or goddam Indians and we did not understand why until we researched our family tree and found out. It is a sad thing that such a beautiful fact was kept from us, although we were brought up to be respectful of all cultures and religions. Since learning of my Cree heritage I have donated money to the Native American charities in the area, and volunteered time to help at the local High School so that other children of Native Heritage will grow up proud. Some of the locals consider me a wannabe, so I have learned to keep a low profile and just do things that help First peoples. I recently recovered from cancer and also am fighting with Diabetes, so I try to stay away from negativity, which I find plenty of in the local Native community. To them in am white, to the whites I am a breed, so I pretty much keep to myself. I am not interested in any "handouts" or "benefits" associated with Native status. I wanted to know my ancestors, all of them. It is easy to want to divide humankind using racial lines, and I understand why many First Nations people are bitter towards whites considering the physical, spiritual and cultural genocide they have suffered. My Grandmother taught me very many valuable lessons about the importance of connectedness which I am handing down to my son. I don't expect to be accepted by the Native American Community here in Seattle. I have experienced the "blood quota" question and the Wannabe name calling. The fact is, I am part Indian and part White, and that is a fact that I cannot ignore. If we want to help improve things we have to take positive action. The question is, for all peoples: "Do you want conditions for all peoples to be thriving, and what can you do to help make this happen." Peace Margaret - -----Original Message----- From: lcb [SMTP:lcb@enter.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:30 PM To: cree@nisto.com Subject: Re: Cree Monthly Help File I , being Cree, do not object to others who want to be, act like , or want to learn native ways. My husband is white, and he is the nicest wanabe I know. The Wanabe's that anger me are the" WanaBenies" or ones that want the benefits without the blood, or that trace amount that gets them on the doles. Or how about the ones who become Native through some dream or ceremony. I'm not putting anyone down, but wow, where is the conscience. Be proud of who you are, no matter who you are Louise B ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:54:24 -0700 From: Cree Listmom <(suppressed)@list.nisto.com> Subject: [Cree Admin] End of Discussion (was: Cree Monthly Help File) I had previously requested that the discussion of "wannabes" et. al. be put on hold to give people some time to cool down. Since this has not happened I am now permanently banning such discussion from this list as it is clearly not constructive or in any way beneficial. Anyone reopening this discussion will receive at most one warning before they lose their posting privileges. I'm sorry it has to come to this, but I refuse to let this list become yet another flame zone on the net. - -- http://www.nisto.com/cree/ O- <*> To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to cree@list.nisto.com with the subject set to the word: help mailto:cree@list.nisto.com?Subject=help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Feb 1998 09:06:02 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: loving words Peshan Omah I love you in guess what? Louise, Cree/Algonquian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Feb 1998 23:36:12 -0700 From: (suppressed)@prodigy.com (MS CLARRISA R WHITEGRASS-REDDYE) Subject: Cree digest for 1998/2/13 this is not my language but my daughters....Blackfeet/Pikuni....."i love you">>>>>>Se'ga'gu'mim....... dont think that that is the way to spell it but i tried to phoenetically..... Lisa LeDeau WhiteGrass/Dykes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 1998 07:46:42 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History THis is a correction , and I am sure alot of you seen the wrong phrase for I love you in Cree. My husband wrote "come here" by accident. So being that today is Valentine's day and I still have time to live it down . Here is I love you in Eastern Cree One word says it all " Kesaki" Louise Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 1998 13:13:03 -0700 From: (suppressed)@enter.net Subject: Re: FW: Cree Monthly Help File No one should feel guilty or signalled out, offended by a statement of blood quantum. Indians are the only race judged by how much a percentage they have. My daughters are half white, half native. I am full blood. I know they are Indian, but alot of people don't. It doesn't matter, what matters is what kind of "person" you are. Good native people, good white people, good black people, good Asians, and so on. louise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Feb 1998 19:22:49 -0700 From: "norry@shaw.wave.ca" <(suppressed)@shaw.wave.ca> Subject: Re: Learning about Native American Culture and History Cree - y dialect - We say "kisakihitan" = I love you larry brown wrote: > THis is a correction , and I am sure alot > of you seen the wrong phrase for I love > you in Cree. My husband wrote "come here" > by accident. So being that today is > Valentine's day and I still have time to > live it down . Here is I love you in Eastern > Cree One word says it all " Kesaki" > Louise Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Feb 1998 07:02:23 -0700 From: (suppressed)@telusplanet.net (Vicky Busch) Subject: health information in Cree I am looking for information written in Cree on topics related to mental health, depression, elder abuse, alcoholism, anger management, diabetes, and other general health issues. These might be in the form of brochures or other formats. Also, do you know if any drug companies print prescription drug information in Cree that pharmacists can hand out? thanks for any suggestions you may have in helping me track down this kind of information. Vicky Busch 5006-44 Avenue Athabasca, AB T9S 1J1 phone: (403) 675-5864 fax: (403) 675-3420 vickyb@telusplanet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Feb 1998 15:49:37 -0700 From: (suppressed)@istar.ca Subject: offerings Does anyone know a good Canadian source for tobacco sutable for offerings? I'm able to get some from the states right now, but the dutys etc. are very expensive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Feb 1998 00:46:34 -0700 From: (suppressed)@istar.ca Subject: offerings Does anyone know a good Canadian source for tobacco sutable for offerings? I'm able to get some from the states right now, but the dutys etc. are very expensive. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Feb 1998 07:44:57 -0700 From: Wanuskewin Heritage Park <(suppressed)@sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: offerings fraze@istar.ca wrote: > > Does anyone know a good Canadian source for tobacco sutable for > offerings? I'm able to get some from the states right now, but the > dutys etc. are very expensive. > > ThanksTansi Fraze Where abouts are you? I have an idea, and don't worry - it's legal. It kind of depends where you are and what kind of tobacco you use, like cigarette or pipe, and how much you want - one pouch, or two, or three? let me know Lamarr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Digest