List-Header Digest Archive: April 1997

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Contents:

-> What happened to List-ID?
     by "Claus_AndrŽ_FŠrber" <(suppressed)@faerber.muc.de>
-> Re: What happened to List-ID?
     by Rob Chandhok <(suppressed)@within.com>
-> Re: What happened to List-ID?
     by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com>
-> Re: What happened to List-ID?
     by Rob Chandhok <(suppressed)@within.com>
-> Re: New list-header draft needs review before submission
     by "Jack De Winter" <(suppressed)@wildbear.on.ca>


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Date: 6 Apr 1998 04:13:16 -0600
From: "Claus_AndrŽ_FŠrber" <(suppressed)@faerber.muc.de>
Subject: What happened to List-ID?

Hello,

now all articles except the montly info posting are expired here.

What happened to the List-ID idea? Is someone already writing a draft?

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Date: 6 Apr 1998 06:12:40 -0600
From: Rob Chandhok <(suppressed)@within.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to List-ID?

At 8:12 AM +0200 4/6/98, Claus AndrŽ FŠrber wrote:
>What happened to the List-ID idea? Is someone already writing a draft?

I am concerned about List-ID also.  I've sent mail to Grant asking what his
plans are since he said he was writing the draft, but haven't received a
reply.

I'm happy to draft a first version or work with someone else to do so.  I
think List-ID is needed ASAP and that it is a very straightfoward RFC.  In
my opinion, the other List-XXX headers are crippled without List-ID.

Rob


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Date: 6 Apr 1998 10:45:42 -0600
From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@nisto.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to List-ID?

At 6:05 AM -0600 1998/4/6, Rob Chandhok wrote:
>I am concerned about List-ID also.  I've sent mail to Grant asking what his
>plans are since he said he was writing the draft, but haven't received a
>reply.

Sorry I didn't get back to you on that right away (you don't want to know
how bad my email backlog is right now :-(

>I'm happy to draft a first version or work with someone else to do so.

I suggest you proceed with that - I'm not going to be able to get to it for
a while, now.

>I
>think List-ID is needed ASAP and that it is a very straightfoward RFC.  In
>my opinion, the other List-XXX headers are crippled without List-ID.

You're wrong about this. I successfully use the List- headers as both an
end-user and a list administrator. They do pretty much everything I wanted
from them as they are.

The List-ID provides a separate functionality (providing a unique grouping
ID for messages that are part of a list) that could also make it easier for
MUAs to keep a database of the List- header fields (by more tightly
associating the List- fields with a particular list).

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Date: 6 Apr 1998 11:50:38 -0600
From: Rob Chandhok <(suppressed)@within.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to List-ID?

Regarding the draft for List-ID:

Grant wrote:
>Sorry I didn't get back to you on that right away (you don't want to know
>how bad my email backlog is right now :-(

No explanation needed!  Hope your backlog clears up!

Grant wrote:
>I suggest you proceed with that - I'm not going to be able to get to it for
>a while, now.

If you have any existing language or draft, I'd appreciate starting from that.

Rob wrote:
>>I think List-ID is needed ASAP and that it is a very straightfoward RFC.  In
>>my opinion, the other List-XXX headers are crippled without List-ID.

Grant wrote:
>You're wrong about this. I successfully use the List- headers as both an
>end-user and a list administrator. They do pretty much everything I wanted
>from them as they are.
>
>The List-ID provides a separate functionality (providing a unique grouping
>ID for messages that are part of a list) that could also make it easier for
>MUAs to keep a database of the List- header fields (by more tightly
>associating the List- fields with a particular list).

I didn't mean to imply that List-XXX are useless, but that they can be much
more useful when combined with a List-ID.  This mostly has to do with
building more functionality into the MUA.   Without List-ID, it is very
difficult to say what the <list> is in the sentence "this is how to
subscribe to <list>".

Rob


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Date: 30 Apr 1998 15:57:54 -0600
From: "Jack De Winter" <(suppressed)@wildbear.on.ca>
Subject: Re: New list-header draft needs review before submission

At 11:22 PM 2/7/98 -0000, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
>[I sent this message earlier. The idiotic list manager threw away the
>message and sent out a subscription confirmation, presumably because it
>saw the word ``subscribe'' at the beginning of a line.]
>
>Grant Neufeld writes:
>> Please review it and let me know if you see any problems with it.
>
>It doesn't provide enough information.
>
>The MUA should be able to automatically manage the user's subscriptions.
>It should
>
>   (1) keep track of which mailing lists the user is subscribed to,
>   (2) figure out which list each message belongs to, and
>   (3) keep track of the latest instructions for each list.

Fair enough.  But given the current discussion, would a list moving from
greycouncil.com to rangers.com (as an example) need to make sure they
used the UUID from the old list?

Is there any way to do a mapping and find out where a list with a
UUID that you have from 2 years ago is now hosted, if at all?

regards,
Jack
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Jack De Winter - Wildbear Consulting, Inc.
(519) 884-4498		http://www.wildbear.on.ca/jacks/


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